Stefan Passantino
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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an individual citizen and say, we select this person for execution and we are going to marshal all of the legislative resources we have in conjunction with outside bar groups and in conjunction with media organizations. And we're going to create a narrative that is unrecoverable. No one would listen to me, of course, for an entire week after that.
You couldn't even turn on the television afterwards. It was panel discussions of, well, Stefan broke the law and he's a lawyer. Should he be disbarred before he goes to jail or should he go to jail and then be disbarred? That was the panel discussion. The give and take was which should happen first.
Well, I mean, certainly MSNBC. But it was... There was a lot of omission to me. I had fairly good relationships with a lot of reporters, a lot of print from New York Times and Washington Post and who knew that this story, they knew me, but just, I can't report. My producers, we'll never get this past the editors. I somewhat... And you can imagine it's not just me who's going through this.
I've been married for 30 years. I have grown children. I have children who are just about Cassidy's age. And I have to sit and I lived this experience. I knew what happened between us. imagine the faith that it takes and the loyalty that it takes for my wife and for my children to sit and watch on TV these accusations. This is the criminal thing that your dad did or your husband did.
And I'll tell you another anecdote, which is, I mean, it was one of the sort of most traumatic parts of this whole experience. Been there. Yes, traumatic experience. So I go through all that. And at the time that all of this is coming out, I am an active subject of a criminal investigation. I'm clearly anticipating that there are going to be litigation is going to be happening.
I'm actively pursuing my own lawsuit. I can't speak at that point. And I know if I do, it's my word against an entire world's word. And I have no doubt that at the end of our relationship, Cassidy Hutchinson was... taping me. I have no doubt that they have the ability to pull out snippets.
Now, what happened was, now that all these text messages come out that completely track everything that I said, that the text messages that Chairman Loudermilk has produced exactly track the conversations that I was having with Cassidy, where she was saying, oh, Stefan's telling me this. It's exactly the things that I was telling her. It's in real time.
It was only later after I'd been fired that all of this changed. But... This all happens and I'll remember that I said, well, I'm not going to say anything. I'm just going to lay low. I'm anonymous. I'm just going to lay low. Fast forward perhaps a year. On the day that my dad died, I get a notification, Cassie Hutchinson's coming out with a book.
And the teaser of the book is explicitly says, and she's going to talk about her interplay with the Trump lawyer who told her lie. So all of a sudden I realize, and of course it's on the day that my father passed away, I'm going to have to relive this entire experience again. And a book tour again. And all of this is, and I am powerless. And I remember thinking,
that it was extraordinarily traumatic. I think her first was, she goes on Rachel Maddow the first time, is like sort of the first launch from this book tour. And I'm sitting there on the sofa with my wife, and I know whatever words come out of her mouth with Rachel Maddow in this live interview, I'm going to own, my wife is going to own, my children are going to own for the rest of their lives.
Whatever allegations are made, I'm going to own. And she went through and she told the story. Now at this point, The story that she told in the original September transcript got watered down a little bit for the book and the book was still pretty horrific, but it was watered down version of the September.
But I remember watching this with my wife and it's just an act of faith for my wife to sit here with me and just stay with me for this. But I remember at the end of that first commercial break, and I'm sitting on the sofa with my wife watching the Rachel Maddow thing.
And Rachel Maddow says, and when we come back from break, Cassie is going to discuss the seven men who sexually assaulted her in the course of her interaction with the Trump world. Cut to break, come back after.
The seven men or five men or whatever it was. It's what's on the tape where they say, that's the topic of conversation, the men who sexually assaulted her. And I'm sitting here and I'm looking at my wife- And I say, I promise you, I never touched her. I promise you. But the trauma of it was if she had chosen- This is so nuts. To identify me as one of the people who had... I was defenseless.
I couldn't have denied it if she had said we'd had a relationship or that I had done something untoward. I was helpless. There was nothing that I could have done. Now, fortunately, she never said any of those things. She said that about other people.
But it highlights the trauma of going from a fairly well-respected lawyer who doesn't mind going to the grocery store and being seen by their friends to having everyone... Did he do these things? Is he really a criminal? And... you know, all faith and credit to her for sticking by me and to my kids.
And it was somewhat shocking to me the degree to which millennials now, they don't have the same reverence for media. I remember sitting down saying, hey, some really bad stuff is going to come out about dad and it's not true. And they're like, we don't believe that. Don't worry about it. And I remember them making the joke to me. It's like, we didn't think you were cool enough to get canceled.
And I was like, yeah, well, I guess I did get canceled. But
They don't.
So, okay, now this might shock you. It's very possible to take a pretty charitable view of the circumstance that surrounded Cassandra. She testifies at length about a very conflicted trouble, things that I had no knowledge of at the time when I was representing her. But when she gave her September transcript, what she describes
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