Stefan Passantino
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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is this traumatic fear of having been a Trump person who thought she was gonna go down and work in the office of the former president down in Mar-a-Lago, didn't get that job, had difficulty finding a job, because anyone who comes with the Trump label has a very difficult time getting a job. And then she gets wind that she's going to be receiving the subpoena.
And I didn't know any of this, but she testifies to it that she's traumatized about the consequences and that she talks about how she went to all these different lawyers trying to find a lawyer who would represent her and how these lawyers for what should have been a one-day deposition were asking $150,000 retain, just this traumatic experience of finding a lawyer.
Exactly. And she also testifies how she's having these conflicted conversations with her mother, with a former member of Congress saying, don't sell out. Don't let Trump people represent you. Once you sell your soul to the Trump people, they're going to own you. And she testifies that she brought to our relationship this baggage. that she had finally given up.
She couldn't afford to hire her own lawyer. She finally had to sort of let the devil into the house and hire me to represent, have me represent her. And that she was extraordinarily conflicted. She came into our relationship with an adversarial mindset that I was completely unaware of. She thought... everything she told me, I was going to turn right around and tell Trump.
So, of course, you're going to go and tell that person everything you think Trump wants to hear. I don't want to testify. I just want to be loyal. I just want to get through this. I just want to have a good job. Those are all things she said to me, and they're all things she put in text messages to all of her friends. Those text messages are all out there now.
But it's very easy to see how someone would come into the relationship not trusting their own lawyer.
And she testifies. Of course, she testifies numerous times about all the different times she lied to me during the relationship. But I was shocked to learn that while I was representing her,
The degree of the conflict was such that when I would stand up and go to the men's room while we were doing a prep session, she testifies, she went onto my computer to look up all of my emails to see who my clients are. Like she was running an investigation on me, literally behind my back. Now I'm not making that up. That's in her testimony. That's crazy.
I had no knowledge that there was this adversary relationship. And for me, She comes in, my job, like I had for numerous other people, a single message. I come in. I tell what I know. I don't speculate. Every lawyer gives the same advice. Anyone who's ever been deposed gets the same advice. Your job is to tell the facts as you know them. You don't speculate. You don't guess.
You wait for the next question to be asked. You're not to go and find new facts. You wait for their question. You answer honestly that question. You wait for the next question. If you don't know the answer to a question, it's perfectly appropriate to say, I don't know the answer to that question. Every lawyer gives some version of that admonition. Of course, of course. Just like I did.
But if you come into a relationship with this hostile mindset that this person is not my lawyer, this person is somebody else's lawyer, and I'm forced to work with them, when the lawyer gives that same admonition to say... I don't want you to go and seek out facts. I literally said to her, because she wanted to like put together calendars. She wanted to do internet research.
I literally said, ironically, it's not your job to write the book on January 6th. I literally said that to her. I said, they're going to interview thousands of witnesses. And those thousands of witnesses are all going to tell their version of the facts and create the mosaic. You only tell the facts that you know. You don't guess. But if you...
are coming in to say, expecting to be misled in furtherance of somebody else's objective, and you're a 25-year-old who's never been through this, I guess it's possible that you could feel like, oh, he's wink-wink telling me what to do.
So it's possible to, now, clearly, and when you look at the text messages between Cassidy and Alyssa, as they're describing the back channel, all of the things that Chairman Loudermilk has now uncovered, you can see they're having that exact conversation. Stefan says, well, if they're going to bring you in for a third interview, we can't make it look like you're eager to do a third.
You'll never get a job. So Stefan's going to tell Dan George, we're only going to comply with a subpoena. We're ultimately going to comply, but I want you to have a subpoena so you can tell people later. They described this whole conversation entirely accurately. Those were the conversations we were having.
sometime between that June 6th, when all these text messages happened, June 8th or 9th, whenever I got fired. And thereafter, things became dramatically different. By September, she was giving testimony to Liz Cheney, accusing me of crimes and accusing me of telling her to lie. Things that just, as Chairman Larry McFaul, just don't hold up.
Well, no. And I'm guided to a great extent by, again, Chairman Loudermilk. The whole Loudermilk House Admin Oversight Committee investigation, to some extent, and he'll have to speak for himself, I might have started some of that in that when all these allegations came out about me alleging that when I was representing Cassidy, I was doing all of these coaching activities.
I said, well, there's videotape. All I need to do is get the videotape and show it, and that will exonerate me. And I was having trouble getting that videotape. So I called up Chairman Loudermilk, and I said, look, I just need some help on this. There are documents that I need for a matter that's personal to me that I'm working on. Can you get me the videotapes of my representation of Cassie?
Because that will... to my extent, to a large extent, vindicate me. And he said, okay, sure, we'll get that. And he realized, he's like, they're all destroyed. Like he realized not only were the documents, these videotapes all destroyed, and this is not speculation. He has letters from Benny Thompson saying, we destroyed the videotapes because we got advice.
We didn't have to keep- Videotapes of what? Of all the witnesses who were deposed, right? So when I was- Sitting next to all of the witnesses who provided testimony.
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