Stephen Jones

It's always a challenge for me.

And not so much British people, but certainly Europeans will say, oh, I can't wear hats, they don't suit me.

Because I think they've just tried on something which is just a broom and a crown and it just looks like a bow tie.

They don't know the thousands of different shapes that...

they could wear and would be flattering i mean even if they chose a shape which was deeply unflattering to them i could change it to make it so it did flatter them so there's no there's no limits there's no limits no limits i suppose when you think of it as a continuation it's just

It is an accent.

It is sort of the accent of fashion.

Absolutely.

What sort of hats do you like to wear?

Yeah.

Something which is quite solid.

A beret, certainly.

You can wear it every different way and just put it in your pocket.

I wear a beret almost every day.

Yeah.

You know, when I curated this exhibition at the V&A in 15 years, more, more, I wanted to include a beret, and I thought the ultimate beret wearer was Marlene Dietrich.

Yeah.

And we went to the film museum, Oriol Cullen, the curator, and I went to the film museum in Berlin to ask them,

if we could borrow one of her berries for the exhibition that I was curating and we curated.

And they said, well, she had over 100.