Steve Holloway

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So I've been doing some, I think she's spoken to you about this, but, um, we, this guest, Carl Sheridan on the podcast last year, Te Amuru sort of low key legend guy.

And he does this stuff on helping people understand their stories kind of, and I've been doing some work with them.

So we've done like two, four hour sessions.

And for the first time, I've sort of been it's kind of like, you know, a blend of therapy with a kind of an outcome and trying to understand who I am.

And it's been really interesting for me.

And

yeah there's been a lot of well football comes up a lot because he's like when you talk about football you'd light up do you realize that you're different when you talk about football than when you talk about business or other things and then the analogy he used was like well you're a striker right like that was your position and you were going around and you could see the game and you were sort of foraging for opportunities and seeing what you could make of them and Seamus was the goalkeeper right so his job was to you know just make sure steady the ship and it was oh that's really

Yeah.

A big part of it was we arrived at this equalizer analogy, because I used to be in a band.

And he's like, I think this would be really good.

At the moment, you're all head.

You're like, your head is up here.

Everything's in your head.

But there's heart and there's gut.