Susan Glasser

uh, countries who had previously been outcast into the world economic and political order, drawing China and Russia into the rule of law to the web of institutions would lead to democratization, to further stability and to further peace in the world. It didn't work out that way. And so now we have a situation where, you know, a quarter century later,

uh, countries who had previously been outcast into the world economic and political order, drawing China and Russia into the rule of law to the web of institutions would lead to democratization, to further stability and to further peace in the world. It didn't work out that way. And so now we have a situation where, you know, a quarter century later,

It's the United States that has gone rogue on the very institutions in the world that have actually secured and maintained our power. So, for example, Donald Trump is going after... He doesn't like the idea that the U.S. dollar is so strong. He wants to weaken the U.S. dollar. Right. He's risking... undermining the US dollar as the global reserve currency. And why does that matter?

It's the United States that has gone rogue on the very institutions in the world that have actually secured and maintained our power. So, for example, Donald Trump is going after... He doesn't like the idea that the U.S. dollar is so strong. He wants to weaken the U.S. dollar. Right. He's risking... undermining the US dollar as the global reserve currency. And why does that matter?

Because that's one of the main reasons that we're all so rich and we enjoy this incredible lifestyle here in the world. When countries are making now a determination that Donald Trump is not just some crazy four-year aberration in the world, that he might actually be a long-term new direction for for the United States and therefore the world.

Because that's one of the main reasons that we're all so rich and we enjoy this incredible lifestyle here in the world. When countries are making now a determination that Donald Trump is not just some crazy four-year aberration in the world, that he might actually be a long-term new direction for for the United States and therefore the world.

They're making decisions in a way that I think they were avoiding making in Trump's first term that really have the kind of consequences. But yeah, I don't think it's overstating it. Maybe you guys do. But in my view, we're the instability.

They're making decisions in a way that I think they were avoiding making in Trump's first term that really have the kind of consequences. But yeah, I don't think it's overstating it. Maybe you guys do. But in my view, we're the instability.

That is such an important point. Donald Trump sketches this American hellscape vision, which is fascinating that, you know, for the guy who also- A shining city on fire on a hill. Yeah, exactly. You know, the dumpster fire vision of America is what he's been selling to his base for essentially this whole almost decade that he's been in politics.

That is such an important point. Donald Trump sketches this American hellscape vision, which is fascinating that, you know, for the guy who also- A shining city on fire on a hill. Yeah, exactly. You know, the dumpster fire vision of America is what he's been selling to his base for essentially this whole almost decade that he's been in politics.

And it's completely at odds with the notion if America was getting ripped off and was at a disadvantage because we wouldn't pay bribes and everybody else would, then how come we were the world's largest, most successful economy? How come everybody from around the world wanted to come here? How come our regulatory norms used to be the leading norms for people around the world.

And it's completely at odds with the notion if America was getting ripped off and was at a disadvantage because we wouldn't pay bribes and everybody else would, then how come we were the world's largest, most successful economy? How come everybody from around the world wanted to come here? How come our regulatory norms used to be the leading norms for people around the world.

Obviously, since the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act was passed, I believe in the late 70s or early 80s, it was kind of one of the last gasps of that post-Watergate bout of reforms. The United States economy has only grown and grown and become more dominant and successful. And so it's really about making war on the idea of America as being a kind of a value-based global superpower.

Obviously, since the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act was passed, I believe in the late 70s or early 80s, it was kind of one of the last gasps of that post-Watergate bout of reforms. The United States economy has only grown and grown and become more dominant and successful. And so it's really about making war on the idea of America as being a kind of a value-based global superpower.

And, you know, in the past, right, you know, you look at other superpowers, other empires, they were ethnic based or they were nationalist at core. And the United States was always about the notion of an idea. Now, we didn't always live up to it.

And, you know, in the past, right, you know, you look at other superpowers, other empires, they were ethnic based or they were nationalist at core. And the United States was always about the notion of an idea. Now, we didn't always live up to it.

Yeah, and by the way, that continues to fuel a lot of Donald Trump, right? You can definitely continue to see him as a reaction against the excesses of his predecessor's foreign policy and activism in the world. In fact, just in his Mideast tour this week, you hear him complaining about neocons and military adventures, and I'm not going to lecture you.

Yeah, and by the way, that continues to fuel a lot of Donald Trump, right? You can definitely continue to see him as a reaction against the excesses of his predecessor's foreign policy and activism in the world. In fact, just in his Mideast tour this week, you hear him complaining about neocons and military adventures, and I'm not going to lecture you.

And he's responding as much to George W. Bush's Republican-led invasion of Iraq as he is to any acts by Democratic predecessors. So it's a reaction. It's a reactionary movement that Trump has led of a minority of Americans, by the way. He won the popular vote. He came just short of a majority in the 2024 election. But it's really the core of MAGA is a minority of Americans that have

And he's responding as much to George W. Bush's Republican-led invasion of Iraq as he is to any acts by Democratic predecessors. So it's a reaction. It's a reactionary movement that Trump has led of a minority of Americans, by the way. He won the popular vote. He came just short of a majority in the 2024 election. But it's really the core of MAGA is a minority of Americans that have