Susanna

Did he leave?

Maybe a bit of both.

But you can't say that no one saw it coming.

Whereas I feel like this for New Zealand sent a lot of shockwaves.

Oh, definitely.

And do you think it's the pressure of the upcoming World Cup?

that they are trying to move heaven and earth to ensure that they can get as good a result as they possibly can, even if it's doing something as drastic as this, still, what, 18 months out?

Yeah, no, it definitely has a lot to do with the World Cup and the fact that they're trying to fix it now in time for a World Cup, because obviously they didn't win the last World Cup.

But that's something that's so unique to New Zealand.

And I know Brian O'Driscoll was on the PM show talking about this, that they don't take second place in a World Cup as a success.

Ireland would, you know, we haven't made it past a quarterfinal.

That would be huge for us.

That would be the greatest success of any head coach we've ever had.

They do not.

Like, I think, I don't have the exact stat, but I think Scott Robertson had a 74, 76% success rate.

So he'd won 20 out of 27 games, which to any other country in the world is like, he's on a great run.

74%.

74%.

Razzy Erasmus, who many people think is the greatest coach in England,

Rugby, full stop.