Terry O'Daniel

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119 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 21 Jul

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CISO Series Podcast · With AI, I Can Now Be Pulled in 5x More Directions at Once! · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

The ground level employees absolutely want to make things better, right?

Engineers don't want to have to, now that we live in the world of DevOps, engineers don't want to have to support a code base or an app that's constantly falling over or getting hacked or something like that.

Hierarchical organizations are tricky at the best of times and communication flows are tricky at the best of times.

And I think sometimes that message gets lost.

And where I see it most is the pressure that comes down from senior leadership to middle management.

Basically, the folks who actually manage the resources on those teams is relentlessly geared towards leadership.

velocity, towards output, towards ship it culture.

And I think it is important to measure the differences, to understand the delta between what we say our security culture is and what we actually observe in terms of behavior.

But I would skip past that a little bit because I think you're, I don't know if it's that useful.

I think you could jump straight to the observed behavior because the observed behavior shows you what leadership values.

Yeah, I know.

It was like the best thing ever.

I have a counterexample.

I worked for a CEO who told the IT team to remove the security garbage from his laptop because it was preventing him from playing games.

Which one of you has the mute button?

I think the last thing you said is important, Andy.

It comes down to where you are in your career.

When we started, there was no security team, right?

It was IT, and you're just supposed to do the security on the side because it's important, but you don't get any credit for it, right?

I have been more recently in my career, the army of one or something like that at a startup.

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