Terry O'Daniel

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119 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 21 Jul

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CISO Series Podcast · With AI, I Can Now Be Pulled in 5x More Directions at Once! · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

And I will say the cognitive load on a more experienced security practitioner who knows everything that's on fire and how challenging it is and how much you're trying to distribute.

I think the the.

Damage to you as a human is much worse.

Can you work at a crappy job pushing papers and work on your GitHub on the side and work on your career on the side?

Absolutely.

That is a really crafty solution, and I'm going to take a note.

But the one I came up with during COVID when I had to run remote teams was,

Work publicly, right?

Train your team to work in public so that your juniors can learn from your seniors.

explaining what you're going to do and why, explaining how you're going to do it, typing out the specific command you're going to put in the CLI, all of that.

The package, this is how juniors, when you can sit next to someone,

Yeah, yeah.

You do it in your daily standups, you do it in Slack, you have, whatever you have as a way to say,

Just as if I were in the same room as someone, I would say, hey, I'm going to work on this thing.

Do you want to lean over and see what I'm working on?

That's how we train juniors in person.

I think the only way to do that in a remote team is to just dive as deeply as you can into the transparency and the thick skin of working in public and being humble enough, everyone to say, oh, crap, I got that wrong or I would have done it this way or something like that.

And going back to what David said earlier, I think it was David that we don't, or maybe it was you, Andy.

We don't train security engineers on how to be security leaders.

And I try to do that as well.

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