Terry Real

It's not perfect, but it's a step up from the mores of our culture.

Well, or look at porn.

I mean-

You know, our young men, I mean, my wife, Belinda, is a certified sex addiction therapist.

And a boy, by the time he's 12 or 13, has seen thousands of vaginas, has seen thousands of sex scenes.

That's average for America right now.

One of the things I say is that, we talked about this earlier, it's the difference between gratification and relational joy.

A lot of us substitute intensity for intimacy.

Boy, the internet, that's what they sell.

That's the algorithm.

Intensity itself becomes like a drug.

And it makes us feel alive and it's gratifying and it pulls us out of whatever depression we're feeling.

But it's very short-lived.

You know, that was one of the things I was nervous about coming on this podcast with you.

No, no, not that, but this idea of optimizing every experience.

So, but that includes sit still.

How to listen and be.

A friend of mine brought a book.

I didn't read the book, but the title is hilarious.

The title of the book is Death, the End of Self-Improvement.