Tim Dodd

Jack Parsons Laboratories.

Exactly.

But yeah, you have a handful of space flight centers, but the one in Alabama is actually a very... And you have a big one down in Louisiana where they're building the tanks, the orange fuel tank that was part of the space shuttle, that big orange tank that was slung on the side of the space shuttle.

That was built at Michoud in Louisiana.

um and you know that was another one it's like that's going to shutter a whole community if we stop building hardware here if nasa stops building the space shuttle so kind of the the frustration with sls is that yes it's it's all derived from space shuttle hardware to keep as many of the contractors and as many people and people call it the the senate launch system you know instead of the space launch system and yeah they call it a jobs program

which you could rightfully argue it is.

And it's one of the last pieces of large launch that is still cost plus contracting as opposed to fixed price contracting.

So cost plus is where you say, hey, we need to land a rover on Mars.

We've never done it this big.

We need it to be a ton.

It has to do all this stuff.

You ask a bunch of vendors, how much do you think that'll cost?

They all kind of put it in their bid.

You choose someone, but you also say like, hey,

I know this bid might, you know, might be wrong.

So like whatever it costs, just let us know.

Send us the bill basically, right?

That's Cost Plus.

That's how the Saturn V was built.

That's how NASA's always operated is traditionally with Cost Plus contracting.