Toby Buckle
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first heard Oct 2018
last heard Oct 2018
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Yeah once you get into how different the definitions can be, you get to the point where the definitions are
so broad that you wonder what you're drawing at and what the point would be.
So just to take rape and murder,
Both of these are obviously invalidated by the existence of slave societies.
So, in almost all slave societies, particularly slave societies before slavery had a strong economic basis, the main purposes of slavery were sexual and honorific.
That you had slaves to have extra wives, extra children, extra sexual partners, and that was a process that, by anyone's definition, including
Theirs would be rape, right?
In the same way slaves exist to enhance your honour in terms of abusing them and degrading them for your own honour, up to and including killing them and sacrificing them.
Now, then you might say, well, murder is
is always understood as the the killing of another member within the community and in some ways slaves are seen as outside the community.
Um but even then you can think of examples where it is considered not just permissible, but quite necessary for a man to defend his honour by killing another man who's offended it, and in certain circumstances, even through to early modern times, the idea of defending your honour by killing someone else, i a member of the community, maybe even a valued or respected member of the community, can not only be permissible and legal but seem
As desirable and necessary, that if we're in a preliterate society, I talked with Orlando Patterson, I'm channeling him on a lot of this about the Tupanambra, a cannibalistic tribe in northeast Brazil.
If you were to hurt my feelings in even as simple a way as refusing food when you entered my home, it would be wholly normative for me to kill you there.
And then you could redefine the definition.
definition of murder again, but I think once you took into account all of these different examples you'd end up in with a definition that was so loose that you'd wonder what the real purpose of it was.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're we're hopefully not gonna resolve this argument.
Oh that way.
Okay, so let's take the death penalty as an interesting case, because that could be used to elucidate another type of fundamental moral divide, mainly like what is your meta-ethical starting point.
So the divide I see with the death penalty
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