Trent Horn
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first heard Apr 2026
last heard 8 Jun
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baptism does not save or baptism is for showing people that you are Christian.
To me, it seems like, well, there aren't really—it's kind of like, oh, if you can't prove your five baptism verses, Catholic or Lutheran, my side wins.
Like, well, wait, where's the data that says baptism is just a sign to others we've already been saved?
I don't see the Bible saying that anywhere.
that's the question i asked i think because there really isn't anyone who will not at least in the context that mark is writing that there wasn't anyone who was going to seek baptism unless they believed because in seeking baptism in that context you're going to be thrown out of the synagogue you could end up on a cross like jesus did
So in the context of where Mark is writing to early, especially Jewish Christians, but even Gentile Christians in the Roman Empire, that there are going to be people maybe who believe, but maybe don't see the importance of baptism.
Or maybe they believe in Jesus, but not fully what the apostles are teaching.
So look, you need to believe and be baptized.
You need to do both of these things.
But the people who don't get baptized, they're going to be people who don't believe.
The people who don't believe, they're not going to be saved.
No, what I just said was, where is it that I'm looking for the scriptural data that tells us what is baptism for?
So even here in this verse, we could say, well, what does Mark 16, what does it say baptism is for?
And the most we could get from it is it has something to do with believing in salvation.
So we could say that at least it's connected to that in some way, but not that it says, well, it's only for showing belief.
Or to say that, well, it has no bearing on one's salvation.
Because at the very least, that verse would support a view that goes a step beyond your view, that would say baptism is an ordinance one must receive, and to disobey that ordinance would be so sinful, it would contradict you being saved in the first place.
Do they go to heaven or hell?
That's ultimately up to God.
When you say, does someone go to heaven or hell, the Catholic Church does not have a reverse canonization process.
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