Tristan Harris

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1,019 appearances 4 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 17 Sep

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Your Undivided Attention · Enough Debate about the AI Jobpocalypse. We Need To Plan for the Messy Middle. · 13 Aug 2026 podcast

So these are things like bookkeepers, payroll clerks, bank tellers, medical secretaries, admin assistants, call center staff, etc.

The mostly women who keep the books, process the claims, answer the phones, and run offices.

And then I think one thing that's important for people, for listeners to get is the scale of this occupational group.

You want to speak to that?

Right.

You have a great line here, which is that AI could do to high school educated women what deindustrialization did to high school educated men.

So industrialization, you know, factory workers, that was the doorway into the middle class as a high school educated man.

And then that shifted with the industrialization.

And you're saying essentially there's a similar shift now that could affect women.

And you actually say in your essay, there are twice as many secretaries and admin assistants, 3.2 million, as there are software engineers, 1.7 million, twice as many bookkeepers, 1.5 million, as there are lawyers, 700,000, and nearly as many customer service reps, 2.7 million, as there are truck drivers, 3 million.

So we often talk about AI automating trucking, but just imagine there's a similar sized occupational group here of customer service reps.

So we've mostly been talking about mid-career workers, but I want to ask about the people who are just starting out.

And there's a whole generation of people that did everything that we've told them to do.

You know, go to college, study something practical, take on debt, and now they're graduating into this world.

And what does the messy middle look like for them?

demand.

We're not retraining someone who just spent six years and $200,000 in student debt.

Say, actually, you have to retrain right now.

It's like, how's that going to work?

That's interesting.

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