Viktor Orban
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first heard Feb 2025
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That's a very communist idea, deleting the past. That was always the communist idea. So they don't like the West. They don't like their nation. Sometimes they are ashamed to belong to a nation because they think that nation is a bad thing.
So if you think that nation is something good and you are proud of it and you think that you have to work for your nation to be competitive and better than the others, it's an awful Nazis, you know, extreme right something. That's their approach. That's the tradition of the European left. And in the latest years, it was brutally witnessed in the everyday political discussion.
So I'm a fascist, you know, I'm sitting here like... I'm a bad guy. I'm a fascist. I'm middle-aged, feudalistic, Christian radicals. Who is arguing for peace, which is the worst thing. That's absurd, may I say.
You mean migration? Migration. Unrestricted migration. So we are living in, okay, under liberal dictatorship intellectually, but politically still we are living in democracies. So public opinion counts. And I think now we have a problem of democracy because of the migration. It's not just a problem of migration, problem of democracy.
Because if you have an elite which is not ready to accept the obvious public will of your voters, instead of accepting that forcing against the population their own crazy ideas, it raised the problem of democracy. So that's where we are, because now there's a quite strong shift in the mindset of the Western societies. Previously, at the beginning of the mass migration period, I'm speaking about
2015, 2016, there were half and half of the societies, even probably more than half was in favor of doing something good in favor of those who were considered as refugees. Then slowly but surely turned to be that they are not refugees, basically. They're changing their place. There are some of them refugees, but basically the majority of them would like to get a better life, simply.
And they are organized by smugglers. It's an international black business, you know, so it's an awful business. And now the terrorism somehow related to this whole changes just come up to the surface. It's never happened earlier. Terrorism was not part of the Western life anyway. If I remember back, the last one was in the 70s, some crazy communist Marxist group of Germany.
But after that, you know, terrorism is not part of the Western life. Violence of public life does not belong to us. But now terrorism is up. Public order is dispersing. So now the society is against the mass migration policy. So we'll comment culture, as it was called by Angela Merkel. Now it's totally negative.
And the problem is that the elite was so much committed to that ideology that now it's difficult to change their position. And that leads us to the problem of democracy. As we will see in Germany just soon, election is coming two weeks time. And you probably have realized that there were some surprising discussion in the German parliament whether to change the migration regulation or not.
And the public opinion said, 70% said, yes, you should change it. And they voted against it. So it's a problem of democracy. It's not just a problem of migration. It's not a problem of leadership. The whole structure and the system is under pressure at this moment.
Yes. But at the same time, don't forget that democracy is a word we use too much, probably too often without understanding exactly what does it mean. There are many theories, as you know. But the most relevant one is the Greek origin of the understanding of democracy. They said democracy means two things at the same time. Participation of the people, involvement.
But the involvement of the people must be resulted in good governance. If the involvement of the people, the public opinion, does not result in good governance, it's anarchy. It's not democracy. So democracy means participation of the people by their voting in the major decisions, and the outcome must be a good governance. It's one of them is lacking. It's not democracy.
And now in Europe, we are heading to a position when the people has a chance to vote, but there is no chance to get good governance. So we are moving, brother, towards a kind of anarchical public life in West Europe.
The German economy is part of the European bomb because we have the single market. And the single market as such is in trouble. I'm in international politics for more than 30 years. And I do remember then 30 years ago, the biggest economy of the world was the European Union. And now it's only number three. And if you look at the top five economies of the world, there is no European among them.
So European Union, economically, it's not a success story. And the success of European Union will always strongly link to the success of German economy. And now they are suffering and we are suffering. And the reason is very simple. There was a well-functioning, quite well-functioning structural model of the German economy and the European economy.
That was cheap Russian energy and well-advanced European technology come together and we are competitive. But now after the war, we isolated ourselves from the cheap energy, and there is no new strategy how we could be competitive. So we have a lost strategy, but we don't have a new one. There's no replacement for the old one. So now the problem is that we don't have compass where we should move.
So we are just managing the daily work, but there is no real strategy what is the future of the European economy. No answer of that. That's the reason why China, United States, because President Trump is back, obviously is in a far better position than we are. Lack of leadership, lack of ideas, lack of visions. That's why we suffer.
Hungary is a small country. Ten million. Elephants is a different game. It's another league. That's how they live. If it would have happened with Hungary, there would be some noise, no question of that. But, you know, it's Germany.
So I think the basic reason is that in the last several decades, there was a strong alliance between the American liberal elite and the European liberal elite. And they agree always what is the issue and what is not the issue. If they decided that something is not an issue, it was not an issue. And the Germans were part of that kind of alliance. transatlantic liberal alliance.
And they were managed to stop all the voices which tried to raise the question, which is a serious one anyway. But anyway, it's not the only one. I do remember some other scandals as well. Beginning of the previous decade, it turned out that the United States, democratic government anyway, taped the Chancellor of Germany. And we were discussing it at the European Council meeting.
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