William Shatner

I think a network would love to have a show as successful as Around the Hornets.

Absolutely.

I think the network...

ESPN, that I've enjoyed working for all these years, should want an expanse of shows, many, many different, they should want many, many different voices, they should want shows to get great ratings, they should want shows to not have controversies, they should want shows, and then they get other shows that could be more performative in some ways, and this show could be more feeling in this way.

You can say this show became one thing or not, too serious, more, more, more, whatever.

less about stars and more about journalists, and we didn't want journalists anymore.

I wanted the show to... I thought there was value in being a differentiator.

23 for the show, yeah.

So as much work as I had done on myself, I was still...

Harboring feelings of what is it that I do?

What is my skill, right?

Because I have been and called myself a sportscaster my whole life.

I dreamt of being a sportscaster my whole life, and now I am a sportscaster.

I've got this dream job, and I host a show.

And I work with journalists.

I would not call myself a journalist.

When I do my job, I'm trying to get up to their code of journalism, and they're not—

committing daily acts of journalism on our show when they're debating sports, but it still is a show about journalists, and that's a wonderful thing.

So most of all, I thought of myself then as a TV host, right?

I started to adapt, and I was, am I a sports host?