Winston Weinberg

I mean, I don't I don't have a tech background and I'm not from the tech industry.

So, I mean, this really was, hey, like we experimented with this.

We think this is an incredible direction.

If these models get even slightly better, this is going to change this entire industry.

Did you know how good they are right now?

And do you know anyone doing this?

Yeah.

The hardest thing to do in the beginning was actually get lawyers attention.

And so what I would do is I started I was a litigator, so I'd started started with litigation examples.

And there was a nice advantage where a lot of what you file, if you're in federal court, it has to be published online, right?

And so I could go and I could find the last thing, like argument that they made, and I could actually find the document where they made that argument.

And so on the demos, what I would do is I'd grab that and I'd say, what's good about this argument?

Could you argue against it?

Like, how would you, how would you poke holes in this, you know, this contention, things like that.

And you'd go from the lawyer, like I used to have demos in the beginning where lawyers would literally be on their phone.

I would show them, I mean, at the time I thought it was like

AGI itself.

And I'd show them this and they would just like look at their phone and not pay any attention.

And when I started saying, hey, you filed a brief last week and, you know, Apple, the whatever case, and you want to see how Harvey would analyze that brief and argue against you.

I mean, they were completely, you know, it's like that meme where the guys with his video games like this and then all of a sudden he locked it.