Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing

Zoë Grünewald

👤 Speaker
515 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

We've seen that most recently with the grooming gangs. I saw an interesting statistic earlier, I think from Tortoise Media, that said that over the past week, Elon Musk has posted more than 200 times on grooming gang scandal in less than two weeks. So that just shows you, you know, considering this man owns Tesla, he's the richest man in the world.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

That is a lot of tweeting about a, you know, a instant in British politics that doesn't concern him. Yeah.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

That is a lot of tweeting about a, you know, a instant in British politics that doesn't concern him. Yeah.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

So I think thus far, Labour's response has been actually quite right, which has been to mainly ignore him. And that's because, you know, you might say these are the rantings of a madman, in which case it probably makes sense to ignore him. But I think there's also now increasingly a sense of actually, even though he is in Donald Trump's administration, how long is that going to last?

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

So I think thus far, Labour's response has been actually quite right, which has been to mainly ignore him. And that's because, you know, you might say these are the rantings of a madman, in which case it probably makes sense to ignore him. But I think there's also now increasingly a sense of actually, even though he is in Donald Trump's administration, how long is that going to last?

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Because already people around Donald Trump are saying to him... this man can't be trusted. You know, the way he turned on Nigel Farage after previously throwing around this idea of $100 million donation, supporting reform, turned on him very, very quickly, you know, just over comments that Nigel Farage had made. So I think... What Labour wants to do is, as far as possible, ignore Musk.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Because already people around Donald Trump are saying to him... this man can't be trusted. You know, the way he turned on Nigel Farage after previously throwing around this idea of $100 million donation, supporting reform, turned on him very, very quickly, you know, just over comments that Nigel Farage had made. So I think... What Labour wants to do is, as far as possible, ignore Musk.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Obviously, they have to wade in when Musk is directly putting their own ministers in danger. And what Elon Musk did to Jess Phillips, I think, was something that could not be ignored by any government. And I think Keir Starmer was quite strong on how Elon Musk could put her in danger. So...

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Obviously, they have to wade in when Musk is directly putting their own ministers in danger. And what Elon Musk did to Jess Phillips, I think, was something that could not be ignored by any government. And I think Keir Starmer was quite strong on how Elon Musk could put her in danger. So...

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Well, I think the fact that they have set them quite clearly shows that they do think they are realistic and viable. The problem is that they're staking a lot on reducing NHS waiting times because, A, because it is a lived thing. It's one of those things that people either have personal experience of or they have family members who have experience of.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Well, I think the fact that they have set them quite clearly shows that they do think they are realistic and viable. The problem is that they're staking a lot on reducing NHS waiting times because, A, because it is a lived thing. It's one of those things that people either have personal experience of or they have family members who have experience of.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And we know the NHS is a huge part of our sort of political fabric. And therefore, progress on the NHS is fundamental to whether people believe Labour is doing its job. but also because the NHS links to their wider economic plan. So we have nine million economically inactive people in the UK. A big portion of those are out of work, sick.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And we know the NHS is a huge part of our sort of political fabric. And therefore, progress on the NHS is fundamental to whether people believe Labour is doing its job. but also because the NHS links to their wider economic plan. So we have nine million economically inactive people in the UK. A big portion of those are out of work, sick.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Labour need to get through waiting lists in order to get those people back to work and rejuvenate the economy. The problem is there's lots of things going on in the economy that are out of Labour's control. Yesterday, while all this was going on with Elon Musk, Rachel Reeves was forced to service government borrowing, which has gone up massively.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

Labour need to get through waiting lists in order to get those people back to work and rejuvenate the economy. The problem is there's lots of things going on in the economy that are out of Labour's control. Yesterday, while all this was going on with Elon Musk, Rachel Reeves was forced to service government borrowing, which has gone up massively.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

So we've got the spiralling cost of government debt. This is taking Rachel Reeves within a whisker of breaking her fiscal rule about UK long-term borrowing. And people are saying when it comes to the spring budget, this might mean that they either have to put up taxes, slash public spending, or break her fiscal rules. The Treasury are ruling out breaking her fiscal rules.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

So we've got the spiralling cost of government debt. This is taking Rachel Reeves within a whisker of breaking her fiscal rule about UK long-term borrowing. And people are saying when it comes to the spring budget, this might mean that they either have to put up taxes, slash public spending, or break her fiscal rules. The Treasury are ruling out breaking her fiscal rules.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

So there's lots and lots of concern that if Rachel Reeves wants to meet her... long-term growth ambitions, we're going to see more cuts to public spending. And of course, this has a knock-on effect with things like the NHS. This has a knock-on effect with other public services that get people back to work. All of this is a holistic circle.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

So there's lots and lots of concern that if Rachel Reeves wants to meet her... long-term growth ambitions, we're going to see more cuts to public spending. And of course, this has a knock-on effect with things like the NHS. This has a knock-on effect with other public services that get people back to work. All of this is a holistic circle.

Pod Save the UK
Billionaire BS: How can Britain Stop Musk’s Disinformation?

And as much as Labour might want to say they're making progress on the NHS, you simply can't do that without all the other things being in place as well.