Zoe Schiffer

But what he has done really, really well, I think, is embarrass Sam Altman in many, many ways by forcing him to sit there as various people he worked with over the years basically called him untrustworthy.

This became a meme.

It was everywhere.

Yeah.

I mean, what was going on at this time is, this is so interesting because I feel like we went from knowing Sam Altman was ousted as CEO and everyone was like, why did it happen?

And literally for weeks, if not months, it was like, we probably will never know the real reasons.

He was kicked out.

Then he came back.

We're just, it's just going to be a mystery.

Now I've gotten to the point where I'm like, I actually know way too much.

I've had three different incredible writers describe the look on Sam Altman's face when he was on the Zoom at the racetrack, realizing that he was like no longer going to be the CEO.

Mira Marotti was being asked to step in as interim.

She's like texting with Sam Altman on the side as she's with Satya Nadella kind of negotiating between all of the parties.

But yes, at one point, Sam was, I think, very, very stressed and anxious.

He was having to lay down on the floor because he was so overwhelmed with the events.

And he was texting Mira what's going on.

And she, yeah, classically said, directionally, things are very bad.

Yeah, it's such a good question.

And I think the fascinating thing about a jury trial is we just really don't know.

Ultimately, it's up to the judge to decide.