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Zoë Grünewald

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Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Yes, I think he's going to get a tummy ache if he eats all that.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

And Bonjour presumably was his impression of Macron, right?

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Yeah.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

His best impression of Macron was just saying the French word for hello.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Yeah, I think it's very, very complicated.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

I think there's a few things here.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

There's firstly the question of what does Keir Starmer want to get out of this visit to China?

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

So I think ultimately, if he can come back with the least amount of drama possible, that in itself would be a win.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

I think what he wants is some economic wins.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

More sort of diplomatic normalization.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

So this idea that the UK can communicate with China.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

It doesn't have to be this big deal, which I think is, you know, that's pretty wishful thinking, considering there's a lot of hawkishness, which, you know, you could argue is pretty reasonable amongst UK MPs and the UK public.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

There's also all the concerns over human rights violations in China.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Obviously, they still have Jimmy Lai, who is the Hong Kong British businessman who is still imprisoned in China.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

And of course, there's also the question of the US.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

He has to somehow walk this tightrope of trying to get closer to China for economic reasons without evoking the ire of the toddler in the White House.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

You know, that is very, very difficult.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

This is the big question, right?

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

Because I think it was always difficult to try and get closer to China, even without Donald Trump, who is this kind of episodic man who literally will do things on the flip of a coin.

Pod Save the UK
S3 Ep139: Will Starmer’s control freakery deliver victory to Reform?

He is so, you know, he's so just motivated by how he feels in that moment.

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