#103 - Former SAS Captain Mark Wales - Immigration, War & Australia’s Future

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What insights does Mark Wales share about his military career?

Sam Bamford 0:14
Hi guys, welcome back to 2 Old Squad Podcast. On today's episode, we have former SAS Captain, Mark Wales. I hope you guys enjoy. And mate, we're away. No debating today. Nice. Just, I'm looking forward to a smooth conversation, unlike the last one. But mate, Mark Wales, welcome to 2 Old Squad Podcast.
Mark Wales 0:31
How are you? Good, thanks for having us.

How did Mark Wales experience combat deployments and operational challenges?

Sam Bamford 0:33
No, no dramas. Came in from Melbourne. Melbourne. Yeah, a little bit more freezing than Adelaide.
Mark Wales 0:39
No, it's a bit erratic here most of the year. Yeah. But then I'm a Perth boy as well, and I've seen Perth's been slammed, so it looks like everyone's getting a bit of winter.
Sam Bamford 0:46
Is that where you grew up, Perth?
Mark Wales 0:48
Perth, mostly, and regional kind of WA, like born up north in Newman and lived in Geraldton for a bit and then Perth, so...
Sam Bamford 0:56
Is that why you wanted to go Perth as in West? Mate, it helps.
Mark Wales 1:00
I wanted to do it anyway, but just the fact that it was in Perth was gold. And the base, the actual Swanbourne base, it's the best bit of real estate in WA pretty much. So it was a good bonus to be back home.
Sam Bamford 1:13
I was recently in Perth for a podcast called The Hard Yarns. They're good people, those guys that run that. And I went over there for a weekend. I didn't realize how beautiful Perth was.
Mark Wales 1:24
Mate, it's a ripper. I didn't realize.

What are the allegations surrounding Australian Special Forces?

Mark Wales 1:25
It's probably the best kept secret around. But it's hard to get there from it pretty much anywhere. It's the most isolated city around.
Sam Bamford 1:32
Yeah. Someone said to me a long time ago that most people from Perth has been to Bali over Sydney or Melbourne.
Unknown 1:39
What's that?
Sam Bamford 1:39
They've all been to, it's like if you talk to people from Perth, they're like, they've all been to Bali and or Thailand, but have never been to Sydney or Melbourne. It's just too far.
Mark Wales 1:48
And Sydney and Melbourne is just called over east. Like it's all just lumped into the one. Oh, you're from over east. So yeah, it's a funny place, but they're, and totally different culturally, just they're all, you know,
Sam Bamford 2:01
What do you mean?
Mark Wales 2:02
Culturally, well, they're all very business-focused, entrepreneurial, not a lot of social issues that you'll see canvassed in the other major cities. So, yeah, it's pretty easy living.

How is public perception of war crimes affecting veterans?

Sam Bamford 2:15
And the mining boom. The mining boom built that town.
Mark Wales 2:17
Mining, for sure. I did a bit of work and was embedded in one of the top miners for about six months when I was with a consoling firm. So, kind of saw some of that firsthand. It was pretty interesting stuff.
Sam Bamford 2:31
Yeah, it's like the major, one of the major buildings in Perth. You look across and it's got the BHB on the side of it. Yeah. You're like, I know what town this is.
Mark Wales 2:40
Yeah. Spent a bit of time in that one.
Sam Bamford 2:42
But it's beautifully beautiful. That nice big lake that comes through the middle. And it just like, in the afternoon, the sun hits and then you get that pickup off the water. And I was over the other side on the southern side of the city across the lake. Oh, yeah, nice. Looking across at night and I'm like- Dude, it's magic. It's beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful.
Mark Wales 3:00
Did you get to the beach when you were there?
Sam Bamford 3:03
Not really. We were only there for two days, but we did get up... Where was it? We got up to... bit north of the city and they had this like it was almost like a bit out of you know european greece and they had this beach and it was beautiful and oh yeah not um on the coast was it yeah it wasn't like uh hillary's or anything like that maybe yeah maybe but it was beautiful but um mate so you started off in one hour hour then you went to sas and you spent a whole bunch of time there and now you're out doing what are you doing now

What are the implications of immigration on Australia's national identity?

Mark Wales 3:41
I do corporate speaking mostly. I do leadership and resilience training for companies. Yep. And just use time in the SAS and then time in... and just talk about what out of those two worlds kind of works best.
Sam Bamford 3:54
I don't know how much you can comment on it, but we'll see how we go. What's your thoughts across all of this stuff with Ben and these war crime stuff?
Mark Wales 4:04
Yeah, so I've talked about it publicly I think about two or three times. The first time it came out, and this was very early on, I talked less about his case, more about the broader conditions of the war.

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