Everything The Odyssey Got Wrong… & Why It’s Better
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How did Nolan’s Odyssey adaptation differ from ancient oral traditions and why does that matter?
what's up everybody welcome to flagrant uh it's your boy schultz i'm here at daleks media markie gags miles media shifty's lurking in the room somewhere spooky um we all just saw the odyssey except for mark mark is continuing his i refuse to watch movies it's not even on purpose i don't have you all the time mark did a whole podcast for camp about the odyssey without seeing the fucking nobody cares about the old odyssey source material Source material. I'm going with the ancient sources. Son, the ancient sources are fake, too. Nah, that's real to me. That's real to me. No, this is the funny thing about, like, everybody's like, oh, Nolan's interpretation from the Odyssey is different from the real one.
And it's like, we don't have a real one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have some guy's interpretation of the Odyssey, like, 700 years later. No, Zeus is supposed to be Greek, bro. You can't make Zeus fucking Asian or whatever. Wait, was he Asian in this? Nah. But if they did make them different races, that'd be hilarious. People would still be mad about it. They'd be like, dude, Zeus is supposed to be a white guy. Did you guys think at all about, like, all right, so Alex saw it. Obviously, Miles saw it. Al's going to take the win right out of his sails. I already know he's like, no, man.
I'm going to be fair. I'm going to be fair.
Can I be honest with you? I ran out the theater. Because I was watching this theater and there was literally 12 people in there. And it was a tiny theater. It might have been like 60 seats. So like the exact opposite of how Nolan wanted you to watch this movie, right? It could not be more opposite. And they all had like cartoonishly gray hair. It was all, it was like 12 old people. That's the theater you go to get some head, bro.
You don't watch movies there.
Yeah, because they would have no fucking clue. But anyway, they were all watching it, right? And I don't even know why I brought this up. You ran out. Oh, I ran out because I didn't want to hear any of the old people complain. Because I saw Superman at the same movie theater. Okay. And before I could get out and feel the joy of the movie that I really liked, they were like, oh, it's not like the old Superman. So I ran out. Okay. Before I could have anybody mess it up. So when I hit the chat and then you later that night said to me, you're like three and a half out of five stars. I was like, it's okay. I already had 24 hours of enjoying this before Alex ruins it for me. Now the beauty of old people watching this is that the cameos don't take them out of it.
You know what I mean? I'll tell you one thing. Lupita Nyong'o took them out of it immediately. Probably that. Maybe a little. But my buddy went and saw it with his mom, and she was like, the opening scene is Travis Scott. And he goes, fucking Travis Scott? And she goes, what actor is that? So she had no idea. So all the cameos, Elliot Page, they're just like, all right, these are human beings.
My show didn't know that was Travis Scott until after the movie.
But everybody got so upset about the Travis Scott pic. Like, I get it. No, they got upset about the black people. No, not even about the black shit. Also, there was probably mad black people in ancient Greece, right? Yeah, there should have been more. Oh, really? In the movie. Let's not get carried away. Hamilton. What happened to all of them when they went to hell?
The only time everybody's black in the movie is when they're in Hades.
That's kind of fucked up, right?
Come on, Nolan.
You're better than that. But yeah, I assume the idea was this was an ancient poem and poets back in the day would retell this story to people. So they're taking a modern poet and starting the retelling of the story through him. Yeah. Is that that far-fetched? No, that's what the Defenders would say. And that's the only rapper that fucking Nolan knows probably. I mean dead serious. You would be surprised how many people get cast in things based on their kids liking the person. So Nolan's kid's favorite rapper is probably Travis Scott. He thinks that's the only rapper that exists.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
How did Nolan’s Odyssey adaptation differ from ancient oral traditions and why does that matter?
0:00–9:22
2
Why do the hosts argue Nolan made Odysseus more likable than Homer’s original?
9:22–42:53
3
How does Nolan use themes like Xenia, the sirens, and Calypso to reframe Odysseus’ motivations?
42:53–1:08:21
4
How are practical effects and handmade art valued compared to CGI and AI?
1:08:21–1:12:46
5
Why do the hosts debate IMAX, method acting, and Nolan’s filming choices?
1:12:46–1:18:34
6
What happened at the World Cup final and why was the live experience so intense?
1:18:34–1:32:05
7
What corruption and conspiracy theories surround Argentina’s World Cup run?
1:32:05–2:13:24
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