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Episode 4870: Revolt Of The Luddites

22 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What does the primal scream of a dying regime signify?

2.36 - 23.984 Steve Bannon

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

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24.004 - 34.122 Brandon Weikert

And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

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34.102 - 44.428 Steve Bannon

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

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44.448 - 48.077 Max Tegmark

War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

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53.069 - 61.623 Unknown

Everyone, I want to talk about our new effort, Meta Superintelligence Labs, and our vision to build personal superintelligence for everyone in the future.

62.364 - 68.715 Brandon Weikert

So now we're starting to look ahead to superintelligence, and even more than before, our focus must be on wide and fair access.

69.083 - 95.001 Unknown

What happens when every single one of us has the equivalent of the smartest human on every problem in our pocket? In the next year or two, this foundation is being locked in and we're not going to stop it. It gets much more interesting after that. Because remember, the computers are now doing self-improvement. They're learning how to plan and they don't have to listen to us anymore.

95.942 - 105.85 Unknown

We call that super intelligence or ASI, artificial super intelligence. And this is the theory that there will be computers that are smarter than the sum of humans.

Chapter 2: How are mega media and tech oligarchs influencing public discourse?

106.771 - 124.214 Unknown

The San Francisco consensus is this occurs within six years. I think that we might have AI smarter than any single human at anything as soon as next year. Wow. Yeah. And then probably within five, let's say 2030, probably AI is smaller than the sub-world humans.

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126.88 - 152.093 Steve Bannon

Joe Allen, you join us. Max Tegmark joins us from MIT, the Institute of Life. Max, today, to kind of put this in perspective, We put out a statement that you've been working on and really kind of organizing people behind the scenes to get in front of this because it's clearly spinning out of control. What is, tell me what the statement is. It's in every paper.

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152.173 - 159.267 Steve Bannon

It's the lead story in many of the papers throughout the world. What are you actually trying to, what does the statement say and what are you trying to accomplish?

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161.288 - 179.884 Joe Allen

What we're trying to accomplish is for it to become just socially unacceptable to say the kind of stuff that we just heard these tech oligarchs say moments ago here. Yeah, we're going to build super intelligence and we have no idea how to control it and it's going to be so cool, please invest in us. It's absolutely insane.

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180.044 - 207.035 Joe Allen

The statement simply says that there should be a prohibition against building this stuff, at least until there's a broad scientific consensus that this can be controlled and safe, and also until Americans actually want it. And we released a poll today also showing that actually less than 5% of all Americans want to race to superintelligence, less than 1 in 20.

208.137 - 219.713 Joe Allen

And yet we have these fringe people in Silicon Valley who are all about transhumanism and merging with machines and stuff, shoving it down our throats undemocratically.

221.819 - 237.722 Steve Bannon

Well, OK, they're fringe, except they've got all the money. They have stocks. Every every every stock jock, every stock jobber on Wall Street. You mentioned artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence. They're throwing money at them. They're the ones that have all the platforms everybody talks to.

238.743 - 261.26 Steve Bannon

You've got the four horsemen of the apocalypse and maybe anthropic is the one that's got some rationality here. But the rest of them get all the media. And you've got David Sachs with the pom-poms on, coming in and out of the White House all the time, saying how it's all – you've got to be – if you're not an accelerationist, you're surrendering to the Chinese Communist Party.

Chapter 3: What is the vision behind Meta Superintelligence Labs?

261.28 - 287.483 Steve Bannon

I just said in the previous thing. Don't tell me about the Chinese Communist Party. I've forgotten more about them than all those guys combined, except for Elon Musk, who is an agent of influence for the Chinese Communist Party, I might add. And he's sitting there saying it's 20% chance that AGI could destroy mankind. How do you combat when the system has promoted the fringe of

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287.463 - 306.197 Steve Bannon

and made the fringe look like they're actually normalized, that they're actually the most radical thinking about a technology that you can't unwind, you can't put the horse back in the barn. You will hit an inflection point in mankind's development that will never be able to be reversed.

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306.177 - 318.611 Steve Bannon

How do you combat it when the fringe is actually driving it through a combination of greed, avarice, and just outright naked wanting of power, sir?

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319.852 - 348.479 Joe Allen

Well, you, Steve, are the expert in this, right? And as you like to say, you've got to call out their lies because – We, the American people, at least 95% of us, right, want to stop this madness. And the first lie is this very sneaky sleight of hand where people say, yeah, look, don't you want tools that can cure cancer? Don't you want productivity tools?

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348.499 - 356.89 Joe Allen

Don't you want America to be strong and economically dominant with AI tools? And everybody goes like, yes, yes, yes. And then...

Chapter 4: What happens when everyone has access to superintelligence?

357.646 - 375.571 Joe Allen

There's the fine print that they're not going to give you just tools. They also want to give you this transhumanist craziness where you're supposed to merge with the machines and we're supposed to build, these atheists are building their digital god that we're all supposed to worship. Their comms teams have told them not to talk about that so loudly.

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376.592 - 398.045 Joe Allen

But if you go back, I was just going back and reading a blog post before the show here by Sam Altman. that he wrote before his comms team told him to tone it down. And he was writing about how he thinks there are only two options for humanity after he builds superintelligence. One is we fade into an evolutionary tree branch. That's his quote.

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398.586 - 426.782 Joe Allen

Or what he thinks is the better option, we merge with the machines. This is my two-year-old son. Who is he to tell my son that he needs to go merge with machines? What's that got to do with American values and American democracy? In short, there are many threats to America. You've talked a lot, for example, about geopolitical threats, but there is a huge threat coming from San Francisco as well.

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427.322 - 436.641 Joe Allen

We can't ignore that. And in fact, they try to make us only focus on external threats so we shouldn't pay attention to them.

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437.971 - 459.37 Steve Bannon

I want to make sure people understand that their real thinking and what they're talking about behind the scenes, because they have toned it down. Their PR experts have said, hey, you've got to tone this down or you're going to heighten people's awareness of this. Give me that again, what Altman wrote, particularly about we either fade into an evolutionary tree branch or we merge.

459.61 - 462.375 Steve Bannon

Give me that again one more time, because that's his real thinking.

462.76 - 490.945 Joe Allen

You can just Google it, search for Altman, the merge, and it comes right up. He thinks basically this is the hopeful future he sees, that we merge with machines. Where's the opt-out button? No thanks. Many people were shocked that this statement today got such incredibly broad support from all across the political spectrum.

491.836 - 518.907 Joe Allen

And what those who were surprised by that didn't realize that it's obvious why. Because all of these people across the spectrum are humans. And they want the human future where machines are tools and work for us. They don't want to merge with machines and they certainly don't want their kids to merge with machines. They want these companies to be held accountable for their transhuman craziness.

518.954 - 545.06 Max Tegmark

Max, the agenda to create general and then superintelligence, one of the reasons you get such a broad rejection of the idea, let alone the investment and the resources poured into it, is because Christians see that these are people who are trying to create a digital God in the absence of what they believe. They believe that there is no God, therefore it must be created.

Chapter 5: What is the significance of the recent statement on superintelligence?

792.62 - 815.155 Steve Bannon

Also, Dr. Thayer, an expert in the Chinese Communist Party and their advances in technology. Just remember how the CCP thinks downrange. Back in, I think it was 2014 or 15, they put out Made in China 2025. They don't talk about that anymore because they realize it's starting to get bad. Bad press, particularly led by the show. What were the 10 industries they wanted to dominate?

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815.375 - 838.912 Steve Bannon

They made a whole of government, whole of society to dominate. The first was artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence. The second was robotics and regenerative robotics. The third was advanced chip design. The fourth was quantum computing. And then you had... Then to throw in the fifth, you had... You had CRISPR and biotechnology.

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839.452 - 862.785 Steve Bannon

The merger of those folks, as we've talked in the show many, many times, is the singularity. So when Xi and Putin are wandering around and they get the off-camera microphone, which never happens in the CCP, and they're talking about living forever, and right now they can push $1.25, there's some very dangerous things going on right behind the curtain.

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863.812 - 888.125 Steve Bannon

And you've got to understand the oligarchs' thinking. This is about avarice. This is about greed. This is about power. Nothing else. Not for the good of the country. Not some altruistic. And it's certainly not a fight against the Chinese Communist Party. They're using that as a Damocles' sword over our head. Right? These guys are all in business with the Chinese Communist Party.

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888.145 - 907.342 Steve Bannon

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974.847 - 981.956 Steve Bannon

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Chapter 6: How do we combat the normalization of fringe tech ideologies?

1341.557 - 1366.873 Joe Allen

We want tools that can cure cancer, that can do all sorts of wonderful things and make America strong. And there's nothing in this letter saying anything about not building AI tools. But superintelligence, as Joe Allen nicely explained, there is not a tool. We have no clue how to control something like that. It's like trying to control vastly smarter than human aliens.

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1367.474 - 1387.679 Joe Allen

We published a paper, me and my MIT AI students, recently showing that the most popular strategy for trying to control this just doesn't work, right? So what we simply need is for Donald Trump and... others in our government to stand up and say, look, we are only going to allow companies to make things that they can demonstrate are tools.

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1388.762 - 1393.437 Joe Allen

That's just like saying that the pharma companies can't sell

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1394.733 - 1418.142 Joe Allen

medicines unless they can demonstrate that they're going to do more good than harm you know we treat every single other industry this way but ironically the ai companies have been so good at lobbying that they have this corporate welfare cut out where they're the only companies in america who can just release stuff legally even super intelligence tomorrow you know without having to

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1419.522 - 1438.688 Joe Allen

demonstrate any safety properties of what they do. So just treating AI companies like we treat all other companies will already solve this problem. Then we'll see an age of abundance where we continue seeing great technical innovations to make America strong and prosperous and healthy with tools.

1439.75 - 1447.42 Joe Allen

And the super intelligence madness will come to a screeching halt because no company is going to be able to demonstrate that this is a tool.

1448.615 - 1465.842 Steve Bannon

Are you concerned? I've got an action plan of confronting the Chinese Communist Party because what they throw back on you right away is that, hey, we had a Sputnik moment. This is a race for AGI and superintelligence, and it's essentially an arms race. The Chinese Communist Party is very advanced, and we can't stop it.

1466.203 - 1484.111 Steve Bannon

I call out that lie because they use that all the time on everything with the Chinese Communist Party, right? And it's not easy, but it's doable. to decouple technologically and financially from this effort. Let's not say the whole decouple. You can finance, you can do it from this effort. Your thoughts on that?

Chapter 7: What are the potential dangers of unchecked AI development?

1484.151 - 1498.213 Steve Bannon

Because we have to deal with a murderous dictatorship that would, if they got their hands on this technology, right, they would use it on their own people and they would use it throughout the world. Your thoughts?

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1498.936 - 1523.387 Joe Allen

I put my thumb up there because you're so right that the oligarchs in San Francisco keep using China as an excuse for why they should get to do whatever they want without accountability. The truth of this race is that there are two races, of course. There is a race for dominance, economic and military, and the way to race that race is with tools.

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1524.268 - 1551.884 Joe Allen

You don't win a race by losing control over your own tech and destroying your own country. So this is going to continue, this race to build more powerful AI tools, but in the meantime, I think both the US and China, if we can perforate the lies, are going to stop pushing for superintelligence.

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1552.405 - 1578.9 Joe Allen

It won't come as any surprise to you, Steve, if I say that I think that the Chinese Communist Party is really into control. So the last thing they're going to tolerate is some Chinese tech company, deep seek or anyone else building something that building some super intelligence that they will lose control over. And that will overthrow the Chinese communist party and, and the rest of earth.

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1578.921 - 1602.536 Joe Allen

Right. They're not going to allow that. And I think when we have not SEC people in the U S who increasingly start to realize also that this is a national security threat to the U S government. then neither of these countries are going to race to superintelligence anymore, but they will continue to race to AI tools for strengthening their economies and their militaries.

1603.177 - 1622.734 Steve Bannon

I'm actually about to... i'm a belt and suspenders guy i i we got to cut him i i hear you in an irrational world but oftentimes the ccp and particularly she and these guys are not particularly rational you see some of the efforts are taken against us but i hear you but that's what we got to do too number one we need to stop

1622.714 - 1639.373 Steve Bannon

They only exist as a technological threat to the United States because of the money and the technology and the training we give the Chinese Communist Party. Full stop. Max, where do people go to learn more about this? Where do they go to learn more about our efforts going forward, sir?

1640.399 - 1662.559 Joe Allen

Anyone who shares our concern here with what these tech companies are doing can go to superintelligence-statement.org, not .com, superintelligence-statement.org and join as a signatory. Because what we want to do first is to show the world that this is not something we Americans want.

1664.21 - 1681.243 Steve Bannon

Great effort so far. It's one of the top stories on every paper in the country and the world. Thank you, sir. Look forward to having you back. What if he had the brightest mind in the war room delivering critical financial research every month? Steve Bannon here. War Room listeners know Jim Rickards. I love this guy.

Chapter 8: How can America maintain its competitive edge in technology?

2056.199 - 2076.027 Steve Bannon

which is key for making space more open. But now we need to build off of that and create an ecosystem, Steve, not just SpaceX, include Blue Origin, include Rocket Lab. Also, let's get some of our foreign partners. The Japanese have some really innovative stuff they're doing. The Indians as well. The Australians are doing some cool stuff with hypersonics.

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2076.087 - 2088.184 Steve Bannon

We can start creating an ecosystem of systems that will keep us ahead in the space race. But I just want to make it clear that We do have to do this very gingerly only because the window right now is so tight.

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2088.725 - 2112.48 Steve Bannon

If we negate our only real silver bullet in the space race, which is the ability to easily launch reusable rockets whenever we need to, if we negate that by going too hard at SpaceX, then we're going to basically neuter ourselves as China and Russia are both rising to dominate the Earth-Moon system. And that's the key, the Earth-Moon system. You have to understand it.

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2112.46 - 2134.945 Steve Bannon

from the strategic high ground perspective. Help me out here about missing this launch now of the $4 billion contract thing to go to the moon. 2.8 has been spent. It's been tapped along. Now it's going to be after President Trump's. Well, of course, President Trump's still going to be president in 2028. But according to the popular press, he's not. But we've tapped this thing dangerously long.

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2135.105 - 2154.959 Steve Bannon

Why is that? Is Elon just not focused? I think that's it. Was the company not focused? Was the time a doge? So the official, yeah. Yeah, the official reason had to do with they said it was an issue with the ground systems, basically the physical system on the ground that provides the launch capability. They said they were having technical issues with it. Other times they've missed the window.

2154.979 - 2169.445 Steve Bannon

They blamed it on, you know, the weather. At the bottom line, though, the end of the day, I personally think it's because Elon was distracted with all this political stuff. I think Elon is at his best when he's focused on SpaceX and when he's not dealing with any of the political guff.

2169.765 - 2188.778 Steve Bannon

And in fact, in some ways, the political guff has hurt SpaceX because when he was too close to Trump, Biden went after him. And now that he's too close to Trump, or now that he's moving away from Trump, obviously, that also alienates the current administration. So he needs to stay focused because this is the problem with relying on only one real player, SpaceX.

2189.178 - 2212.576 Steve Bannon

If the leader goes off the rails, then we lose that capability. And that's why we need an ecosystem. And this is why Duffy is correct when he says we need competition, not just SpaceX. As much as I enjoy SpaceX. Sean, look, I'm not denigrating SpaceX. Sure. I'm saying you need more competition. Hell, I'm not denigrating it. I want to own 50% of it, okay? We want a piece. No, it's ridiculous.

2212.596 - 2220.627 Steve Bannon

It's ridiculous to give these government contracts out and he's doing financings at a $380 billion valuation. I think there's a conversation to be had there, yes. I agree.

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