Part Three: How The Zizians Went Full On Death Cult
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Welcome to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where I, Robert Evans, am going to war, like a one-man, like Rambo, like one of the later Rambo movies, not the first one that was actually about the cost of PTSD and Imperial War, but like the later ones where he's a one-man army. I'm doing that, and I'm doing it against Microsoft because I fucking hate Copilot. With me to talk about how much we hate Microsoft Copilot... my producer, Sophie Lichterman, and our wonderful guest, David Boree. David, how do you feel about Microsoft Co-Pilot?
Ah, Rambo 3, let's go. Okay, okay, okay. Let's kill a ton of brown people.
Well, no, I mean, in this one, it's just like Microsoft Co-Pilots we're killing. Okay, all of them. They're not really people.
Outlook sucks. It's so bad.
Outlook is terrible. Microsoft has really gone far off of making a lot of products that people hate to use.
Speaking of products people hate to use, David said before we started recording that he was excited to hear this story. I just want you to know where we're starting on this story is page 21 of the script. And where we end the script is page 49. Whoa. I made a mistake in doing this.
I'm going to admit that right now. Before we get further, I'm going to say I erred in this. And it's, you know, I've made peace with the inevitability of fucking stuff up, especially when like every week you're doing a different chunk of history and we're veering from like, we're talking about fucking 17th and 18th century France. And then like now we're talking about like a fucking guy who did a genocide in Darfur or whatever, right? Like you're going to, these are all important topics, but like you simply can't. every single week cover the breadth of stuff that we do and not, you're going to misspeak. You're going to make errors and stuff. And when it, when it comes to like, I'm talking about Hitler, I'm talking about like, not obviously those are important, but you know, if I, if I fuck up some fact about like early 1900s, Germany, I'm not going to be like too bent out of shape. Cause it's like, you know,
there's no perfection in this, but in this case, it's this tiny little community that nearly all of the reporting on has been like deeply incomplete. And I feel like the stress over like, what do I include in here? And the other problem is that none of these people have editors. And so all of them, everybody in this story has a blog and every blog post is like 40,000 words. So it's just like,
Yeah, I was going to say, what media are you able to get? You're getting this all straight from the source, right?
A lot of it's... I mean, I've read most of Ziz's blog entries, and I've at least done little surveys of the blogs of everybody else involved in this. There were also a couple of very helpful... that like people, there's like one that like a former, sometimes it's like former members of the community. Sometimes it's folks who are like rationalists that were trying to warn other rationalists about Zizians. But like people in and around the community have put together compilations where they'll like clip mixes of news stories and like conversations online. And obviously these folks like- A blog mixtape is nasty work.
Yes, yes, yes.
And I'm deeply grateful. We'll have source links and everything in here. I note when I'm kind of like pulling something from something directly. But like I'm very grateful to the maniacs who put together these like documents that have helped me piece together what's happening. Because really, if you're coming in as an outsider, if you weren't like embedded in this community while all this crazy shit was going on, it's kind of impossible to like – get everything you need to get, you have to refer to these interior sources. It's just the only way to actually understand stuff.
No, yeah. As an outsider, I don't know what's going on. I don't know where it's going. I for sure don't know where it's going.
It's going, we know where it ends, which is a member of Congress shows up at the library in Vermont that the US and Canada shares because a border patrol agent was murdered there and like threatens to take over Canada.
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