Eurasia Group President Ian Bremmer Talks 'Post-America Hedge'
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So if I was to do a panel, let's say some fancy place like Davos, right now they would say, Mr. Keene, who would you like to have in your panel? And I would say Ezra Prasad of Cornell and Ian Bremmer of Tulane and Stanford. Bremmer and Prasad would be lights out. The Doom Loop is Azar Prasad's new book with really interesting discussions of stability. And Ian Bremmer owns the high ground on this with Every Nation for Itself, The J Curve, and of course, Us Versus Them. Dr. Bremmer joins us from Eurasia Group. I look at the Doom Loop from Prasad, Ian, and the heart of the matter is we are in some form of stability today. moving to instability. Is that how you see it? There's instability out there?
yeah i i i like his book uh... a lot uh... he's uh... you know more of an economist i'm a political scientist so i'm focusing on the geopolitics specifically and uh... i i think it's cyclical so i see this as a bust cycle because of the balance of power is no longer aligned with the institutions the architecture the policies or the values and that's particularly playing out with the Americans, the most powerful country, stepping back from their own historic leadership. So, I mean, the good news is that that's very unlikely to get you the so-called Thucydides trap, a World War III. Historically, usually when you have a move to instability in geopolitics, it's because the major power is in decline.
and trying to hold on to its old system, the rising power wants to create a new one. That's not what's happening here. The United States is still the most powerful country. It's just unilaterally saying it doesn't wanna be in charge of collective security or free trade or promotion of democracy of rule of law. So it's causing a lot of instability, but it's not causing global conflict.
Ian, in your notes, you suggest that these countries, historically allies and maybe even foes of the United States, they are not decoupling from the U.S., but they are de-risking. How are they doing that?
they're primarily doing it economically. And the reason it's mostly economic is because the global economy today is increasingly multipolar, while the global security environment is still dominated by the United States. So the reality is that even if you don't trust or rely on the United States as a security ally, you don't have many good options. And it will take you a very long time, even for the Europeans who see this as an existential need. Yes, they're spending a lot of money on Ukraine, but they're buying American weapons. Yes, they're stepping up their own security, but they know, as Mark Rutte, the Secretary General of NATO said in the last few days, how essential the Americans still are for the foreseeable future.
Where when you think of the global economy, there are options. I mean, even Canada, which is so incredibly dependent on the United States, has the ability to diversify more effectively with the Europeans, with the Chinese, with others. And that's particularly true. India, for example,
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