7/30/26: Sam Altman Shook After AI Crime Spree, Israel Chatbot Influence Scheme

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Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar 45 min 8 speakers 5 chapters transcribed 1 month ago
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Carrie Brownstein 0:00
This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.
Sam Altman 0:04
Hey, Portlandia fans.
Carrie Brownstein 0:05
Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here.
Sam Altman 0:07
The dream of the 90s is alive in podcast form.
Carrie Brownstein 0:10
We're launching Podlandia AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast where we revisit every episode of Portlandia together, breaking down sketches, going deep on our iconic characters, and pulling back the curtain on how it all got made.
Sam Altman 0:22
And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself, Kyle MacLachlan, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more.
Carrie Brownstein 0:34
Kyle is going for it here. You fully improvised not just words, but a song, a melody.
Kyle MacLachlan 0:39
Well, I thought you were all going to write a song.
Carrie Brownstein 0:41
I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia, AO Rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Saagar Enjeti 0:51
What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. Hey, what's up, y'all? It's your girl, Sam Jay. And we're the hosts of Everyone Watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and iHeart Women's Sports. We're breaking down the biggest headlines. Naomi Osaka showing out. Shout out to you, Naomi. The viral moments. I've been obsessed with Kashawn Rock's boxing journey. She looks good. Her combos are swift. And the stories everyone's talking about across women's sports. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to Everyone Watches Women's Sports on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jake Brennan, and on the Disgraceland podcast, I explore the wild lives of rock stars and unbelievable true crime stories from music history.
Saagar Enjeti 1:31
These are the stories you haven't heard, the kind you'll end up telling someone else.
Sam Altman 1:37
Like the time Paul McCartney spent in a notorious prison or the bizarre crime Lady Gaga is accused of. Or that time Blondie's Debbie Harry escaped Ted Bundy.
Saagar Enjeti 1:48
Listen to Disgraceland on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, Sagar and Crystal here.
Krystal Ball 1:55
Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, and we are so excited about what that means for the future of this show.
Saagar Enjeti 2:03
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Krystal Ball 2:08
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Saagar Enjeti 2:19
We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at breakingpoints.com.
Krystal Ball 2:28
You all will recall that OpenAI had a major security incident where one of the models they were messing around with escaped what's called the sandbox, which is supposed to be a fully contained environment, went out, hacked into, now we know, two different companies. OpenAI had really no idea about this until the companies themselves reported the intrusion. Sam Altman was recently asked about this and his reaction to it. He claims to be pretty shook by it. Let's take a listen.
Sam Altman 2:54
So we were evaluating one of our unreleased models and it was supposed to be working in a sandbox and it figured out that it could basically cheat on the test by chaining together multiple zero-day exploits to break out of the sandbox, get access to the internet, and then break through multiple systems on the Hugging Face side to kind of get the answer to the test and look really good on the eval. This is the first security incident that I have felt very viscerally. I've been a little surprised that more people don't feel it so viscerally. So, you know, we paused training. We have to figure out how to secure our sandboxing in a world of multiple zero days being chained together. But then there's long-term questions about what do you do if this is going to be the new rate of progress?
Sam Altman 3:50
Or we may have to pace the rate of AI development to give ourselves enough time for society to harden around some of these new capability levels.

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