Ep #209: Jason Clark: Growth Comes in Waves—Here’s How to Ride Them
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Business Growth Architect Show: Founders of the Future
28 min
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3 chapters
transcribed 17 days ago
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How did Jason Clark’s rock‑bottom experience shape his entrepreneurial mindset?
My situation when I was twenty-six. Psychedelic drugs, divorce, bankruptcy, homelessness, if that's what you want to call it. It was embarrassing. But at this point it's part of my story and I'm proud of it. When you feel like you're in rock bottom, what helped me turn my entire life around? It's not a straight up or a straight down, it's waves.
So Jason, what I find probably the most amazing thing about your story is that a lot of people are having a hard time. It's a a mess out there. They're very scared. They feel that they're in the dumpster. They don't know how they're gonna get out of this financially, emotionally, physically. How did you come to a realization there's another side to the worst side of everything?
Right. So I never stopped reading and being somewhat of a seeker, I was looking for answers in in places, some off-kelter places, but still looking. And I came across a reference to a teacher from the early 1900s. His name was Gurjeff. And he he was a spiritual guru kind of person. Some people think he may have been a a phony, but his his work is very interesting and so he He booted up what was called the Institute for H the Harmonious Development of Man in France in the early 1900s. And there was a writer that that essentially studied under him for a while, and he wrote a book about his learnings with Gurdjieff called In Search of the Mi Miraculous. And there was one specific concept in that book that has always stuck with me.
He calls intentional suffering. So that is the concept essentially goes that everyone has a predetermined amount of suffering that they will go through in life, right? A lot of the religions teach this, right? There is there's suffering. And the point of of this concept is that if you choose How to suffer and when to suffer, and you're doing it intentionally, and you're doing it for a better outcome in the future, right? So this goes even so much as to like having hard conversations with people, saying something that might be difficult to say, but once it's out, it's out, and that relationship might get might be. healed, maybe after a little bit of uh turbulence because of what you said, but You've chosen to suffer in that moment, right?
I'm gonna jump into here. This reminds me almost like with um with the thought that I've I've heard that this is a learning planet. Because sometimes we wonder why this believe it. Why this planet, you know, we have a r repetition every forty years. Like literally the same crap happens over and over and over again. And you're going, why do we not learn from history? And that ties right into this, that this is a learning planet, and these are the lessons that People come here come here to learn. So that's what I'm hearing. So is is there a part of this in this?
Oh yeah, that is um so I found Gurdjieff through another writer named Robert Anton Wilson, who was one of the psychedelic philosophers of the the sixties, seventies and a little bit into the eighties, but that was one of his big pieces is I don't know what the world is, except I know that it is school. And it is, right? You have to pick up concepts that become your guiding star through life. And so that, you know, I am so what that that was about twenty-six I'll be I'll be retired by fifty-five if I want to. So in thirty years I was able to turn my entire life around and build something for myself and my family that puts me on a foundation that is stable and allows me to do some of the things that I want to do for my family, my friends, my life, my my goals, right?
So but so back to that moment. And that was what is intentional suffering in in that moment, right?
What is “intentional suffering” and how can founders use it to grow?
When you feel like you're in rock bottom. And there's there's a few things, right? That that you learn discipline. One of those is financial. You know, I filed bankruptcy. Well, that stays on your credit score for for ten years or so. So without borrowing money, I had a probably close to a minimum wage job once I got back and I j I learned how to use money and avoid debt. In a way that helped me recover, right?
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