Catch Up on Integration with Dublin Camogie Captain Aisling Maher
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What is the story behind women’s Gaelic games being separate from the GAA?
Hello, my friend, and welcome to Catch Up with Louise Maxari. This is the podcast where I do my best to keep you caught up with what's going on in the world. News on a Monday, entertainment on a Wednesday, and a chat with someone interesting with an interesting perspective on a Friday. And frankly, I have become completely wrapped up in the situation with integration in the GAA. I posted about this on Instagram this week, and lots of you got in touch to say that you were also upset about this, and then lots of people pointed out. that they just didn't really know what the story was at all. So I thought it might be a good idea to have a conversation with someone about What exactly is the story with integration?
Why do we need integration? Why are women's Gaelic Games not part of the GAA in the first place? How is that impacting girls and women in Ireland? And what does this mean? What's happened this week? What does it mean for the future with Mary McAlee stepping away from her role within the committee, which is looking at integration? So I thought the best person I could possibly speak to is Ashley Maher, who is the Dublin Kamoge. captain and also of the Gaelic Players Association. You may remember I spoke with Ashing around the scorts issue and um she has a really good way of breaking things down, I think, and making it easy for people who don't necessarily live in the world of the GAA, like me, for example, um, to understand what's going on.
And I really think this conversation is valuable and I hope you enjoy it. Well, Ashing Marit, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast. We actually don't have that many return visitors on the podcast, so uh you're in a special club now.
Delighted to delighted to be here and delighted to be a part of that club.
Um guys, you might remember Ashing as uh being one of the incredible women behind getting the scorts rule changed in Kamogi. Ashing came on at the time and talked to us about what was going on there and why it was happening. And obviously we know that that rule changed. And I think, like, would it be fair to say, Ashing, that obviously you guys did a lot of work, but also the kind of public uprising definitely kind of contributed to that, right?
Yeah, a hundred percent. It was definitely um the energy that it got outside of I suppose the regular Camoge people that kind of brought it into the public eye and kept it there. And um that's a hundred percent what put the extra pressure on that was needed to to make change happen, but particularly to make change happen so quickly.
Yeah. And I think that that's one of the reasons that I was so keen to talk about this on the podcast this week because um I think that sometimes difficult conversations happen behind closed doors or happen within small communities. Um and when they're heard outside of those well, small communities. Do you know what I mean? Niche commun c it's not even niche, it's lives up in GAA. But anyway, in a world that not everyone inhabits. Um and then often Yeah. what happens is when people find out it seems so completely ludicrous that they can't stay quiet about it and then that can be an impetus to change. And so when I heard that Mary MacAlleese had left the her work with the integration process, I was shocked.
But the reality is, I didn't know until I talked to you about the squirts, I didn't realize that the GAA did not include Kamogi and women's football. And so can you give us just a little bit of background on that? For people who are coming to this brand new this week who didn't know that this was a thing, how have things been working up until this point?
Yeah, so I suppose for anyone who looks in from the outside, um it's very understandable that they don't realise that there's three associations there because a lot of people, myself included, talk about, you know, playing GAA or being a member of the GAA. But uh to be very technical or very correct about it, the GAA is the men's organization in which you can play uh men's football or hurling and then there are two separate organizations the Coboge Association and the Ladies Gate of Football Association under which female players play.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the story behind women’s Gaelic games being separate from the GAA?
0:21–5:46
2
How does the historical separation impact girls and women playing Gaelic games today?
5:46–12:20
3
What are the main resource and facility disparities between the GAA and women’s organisations?
12:20–20:06
4
How does the cost gap between men’s and women’s Gaelic games affect integration?
20:06–28:44
5
What is the ‘one‑club model’ and how can it help equal access to pitches?
28:44–36:11
6
Why has the integration process stalled and what are the key obstacles?
36:11–41:14
7
How could the integration committee be restructured for better independence and expertise?
41:14–41:39
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