Courageous Leadership as a Daily Practice
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The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
42 min
4 speakers
6 chapters
transcribed 2 months ago
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hi, everyone. It's Brene, and we are on a summer hiatus for the next five weeks. While we're taking a break, we are revisiting some conversations that we really love. We think you're going to enjoy them. This week's episode is a conversation that Adam and I had at Authors at Wharton. It first aired on his podcast, Rethinking. I hope you enjoy it. You'll see a couple of times he's got me on the hot seat. I got a real good taste of what it's going to be like to be in his classroom. He tried to drill me down, but fear not, I drilled back. Enjoy.
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Welcome to the Curiosity Shop, a show from the Fox Media Podcast Network.
If you do not care for and are able to connect with the people you lead, you will never see performance, period.
Hey, everyone. It's Adam Graham. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick. I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking. Brene Brown is a researcher and storyteller who's changed the way I think about vulnerability, shame, empathy, and leadership. She hosts the podcast Dare to Lead, where I've loved being a recurring guest. She's given some of the most popular TED Talks of all time and written six number one New York Times bestselling books. I hosted Brene for a live conversation in the Authors at Wharton series to talk about her brand new book, Strong Ground.
Brene Brown, so excited to have you at Wharton.
Thank you. Nice to be here.
She delivers a powerful message about courageous leadership that the world desperately needs. And our back and forth made my brain buzz and my heart tingle in the best possible ways. So I was at an event last week in New York. Someone came up to me and after having asked a brilliant question, said, you're my second favorite author. And I was very flattered, and then I was like, wait a minute, who's the first? And the answer was Brene Brown. I was just glad to be on the list.
Well, first of all, people are laughing so hard at us. At us, not with us. Not with us, not at us. Literally, someone said, I love the podcast. I think of y'all as smart people, and it's so weird to watch you change your minds.
Isn't that what learning is?
To me, the most joyful thing is learning, the pursuit, the passionate pursuit of mastery, like really having a problem to solve or a strategy to figure out that you almost don't want to figure it out because trying to solve it is so much fun and that's so uniquely human. I just... I'm wondering why that's fallen out of favor a little bit. I'm wondering why the value has shifted from courage is being a knower instead of courage is being a learner. That's not gonna serve us right now. When I talk to senior leaders all over the world and they're saying, boy, it's really problematic when people come in and they act like they know everything. What I'm looking for are candidates who have exquisite questions.
and are really hungry to solve the problem. And so I think we have to shift the thinking there a lot.
I'm inclined to agree with you on that. And asking questions is one of the things that you do best. So I think for those who have not been following Brene's work since you were four, I think when I first became acquainted with your work, it was when you were introducing yourself as a narrative researcher, as somebody who studied stories. And I was just blown away by both the breadth and the depth of the questions that you ask people.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–6:57
2
How does Brené Brown redefine courage in leadership?
6:57–11:39
3
What are the four skill sets of courageous leadership?
11:39–21:52
4
How can values be operationalized into behaviors?
21:52–34:12
5
What is the 'story I'm making up' framework?
34:12–37:41
6
How do you build trust and connection as a leader?
37:41–42:48
Speakers
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