TPP 152: Education Thought Leader Jordan Shapiro on Screens, Kids, and His Book "The New Childhood"
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Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children
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What is the premise of Jordan Shapiro’s book *The New Childhood* and why did he write it?
When it comes to screens, one of the things that bothers me is what that often means is it's still this sort of time question. It's often, you know, I keep track of how many hours they're on it. But I want parents on it with the kids when they're little so that the kids learn to imitate mature behaviors online. So they learn to imitate ethical behaviors, not just online, in a digital world so that they learn how to make sense of it.
Welcome to Tilt Parenting, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing and supporting parents raising differently wired kids. My name is Debbie Reber, and I'm the host of this show. And today I'm talking with Jordan Shapiro, a PhD who is a world renowned thought leader on global policy, education, game based learning and parenting in the 21st century. Jordan is a senior fellow for the Joan Gantz CUNY Center at Sesame Workshop and non-resident fellow in the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution and is an international speaker and consultant whose fresh perspective combines psychology, philosophy, and economics in unexpected ways. I wanted to bring Jordan on the podcast after reading an article about his new book, The New Childhood, Raising Kids to Thrive in a Connected World.
that piqued my interest. It offered a point of view on the role of screens and technology in the lives of children that was in contrast to what we so commonly hear. The New Childhood draws on groundbreaking research in economics, psychology, philosophy, and education, and asks readers to consider how technology is guiding humanity toward a bright future in which our children will be able to create new, better models of global citizenship, connection, and community. In our conversation, we talk about the ideas behind his book, what Jordan sees as the biggest problems with the way parents are relating to their children's screen time usage, why he thinks it's important for parents to integrate a child's use of technology and their off-screen life, and much more.
Just like Jordan's book, this was a thought-provoking conversation that left me thinking differently about the role of screens and technology in our family. I hope it provides you with some interesting food for thought. Before I get to the interview, I want to give a quick shout out to some new supporters of the podcast, Natalia Bulgari and Heidi Venkermans. I am so grateful for your joining my Patreon campaign and helping me fund this show. If you're listening to this and you enjoy this podcast and would like to support its production, please consider joining Natalia and Heidi by signing up for my Patreon campaign and supporting this show at the $5, $10 or even $20 a month level. Every dollar of that money goes directly toward covering the production costs for this show and the operating costs for Tilt Parenting.
Thank you so much for considering. If you want to learn more or sign up, just go to patreon.com slash tilt parenting. And Patreon is spelled p a t r e o n. Thank you so much. And now here is my conversation with Jordan. Hello, Jordan, welcome to the podcast.
Thanks. It's great to be a part of this.
Yeah, I've been wanting to have you on the show since I read an article about your new book, The New Childhood. I shared it with my community on Facebook and got some interesting comments. And I just thought I want to bring you on the show to just have a deeper conversation about the work that you're doing. I think it's pretty relevant to my community. So before we get into that, can you just take a minute or two to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about the work that you do?
I can do my best. I mean, I do a ton of things. You know, my background is in psychology and philosophy. And I sort of accidentally got interested in kids and technology, mostly because I was observing my own kids and worrying about what was best for them. And I just found myself doing a lot of writing about video games, about kids and screens, about play in general, about learning.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the premise of Jordan Shapiro’s book *The New Childhood* and why did he write it?
0:00–7:05
2
How does Jordan describe his professional background and day‑to‑day work before diving into the book?
7:05–13:15
3
Why does Shapiro argue that parents should stop treating screen time as a simple hour‑count?
13:15–18:48
4
What is the ‘hearth and agora’ metaphor and how does it reshape the role of screens in family life?
18:48–23:14
5
How can parents teach kids ethical and respectful behavior in digital spaces?
23:14–28:00
6
What does Shapiro say about screen‑time addiction and the language we use around it?
28:00–33:45
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What practical strategies does he suggest for parents who are tired of fighting over screens?
33:45–38:28
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How can listeners connect with Jordan Shapiro and learn more about *The New Childhood*?
38:28–43:29
Speakers
2 identifiedMore from Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children
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