AI and Healthcare: Bob Wachter
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And on to the show. Welcome to the JerryPout Podcast. This is Eric Wadera. This
is Alex Smith. And Alex, we have a returning guest with us today. We are delighted to welcome back Bob Wachter, who's chair of medicine at UCSF. He's a hospitalist, in fact, coined the term hospitalist. He's an author. His prior book was called The Digital Doctor. And his current book that we're going to discuss today. It's called A Giant Leap. It's due out February third. Early reviews have been fantastic. We last had Bob on in April 2024, and in fact, Bob incorporated that episode into the second chapter of his book. Page
twenty six, I think. Something around there.
So even more reason for you dear listeners to check it out. Bob, welcome back to the Jerry Pell podcast.
It's a great pleasure. I thought if I could do anything to push you up to number one on the podcast chart, that'd be my my effort to do that.
I had to share with my wife aga I I showed him the page that said Jerry Pal, mainly because the way you wrote about it, it said Jerry Pal, a popular podcast. And they love the fact that it said a popular podcast. Well it is. It is.
It's w we're popular with a very small segment of healthcare providers who care for older adults and people with serious illness.
Well, Bob, thanks for coming on. Before we dive into AI, we'll talk about your book, some components of it, and mainly a lot of questions me and Alex have about it. We always start off with a song request. Now this is interesting. Did you have a song request, Bob?
Uh I forgot what I asked for. I probably asked for spring sneaking, but what what did what did you end up with, uh Alex?
Well, I I I think you actually asked if uh maybe AI could write the song. Is that right, Alex? That that
makes sense. That makes sense.
How did that go for you, Alex?
Uh that did not go well. I I the problem is that if I ask AI to come up with a song, it will come up with a song, but I don't know how to play it. Like there's no tune there, right? There probably is some AI that could compose the song with a tune, but I don't have that AI. And then I said, Okay, let's try to compose a song about AI to the tune tomorrow, which Bob sang and played piano. Piano for on our last podcast, and it said, I can't exactly do that because the melody and the lyrics and the structure of the song are copyrighted. So it came up with a song that was similar but too different to actually play the lyrics to. So we're running up against these boundaries here.
So then I jumped in. What did you do, Eric? I jumped in and I just asked AI. I you know, there's all this talk about prompt engineering. I said after reading Bob's book, which I learned it's kind of a dying art, because AI is getting so good. All I asked AI is, Bob Walkter's coming on the Cherry Pal podcast, what song requests should he suggest? Like Nothing else. I think I said he'd come in on to talk about his book. I didn't say what the title of this book was or anything like that, and it came up with what song, Alex?
Handle with care by the traveling Wilburries. Yeah, and I actually
came with an answer why it chose the song, which I actually liked too. It's that smart. Yeah.
Yeah. All right, Alex.
Just jump in because I don't have the
L Little traveling wheelberries here.
Men beat up and better drive. Been sent up and I've been shot down. You're the best thing that I've ever found. Handle me with care. I'm so tired of being lonely, I still have some love to give. Won't you show me that you really care? Everybody's got somebody. To leave. Put your body next to mine. And dream on
So I just looked it up. AI said he could opt for a handle with care by the traveling Wilberries, symbolizing the care and caution needed when integrating AI into healthcare systems. Wow.
Boom. Well, considering the fact that the last time we did this, I sang and played, this has already been a greatly improved episode.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–20:32
2
Why did Bob Wachter write *A Giant Leap* and why is now the right time for it?
20:32–36:46
3
What are the top AI tools Bob uses in clinical care and for writing his book?
36:46–41:59
4
How does Bob compare OpenEvidence to UpToDate for point‑of‑care decision support?
41:59–51:09
5
What are the current concerns about AI hallucinations and trust in clinical use?
51:09–52:27
Speakers
3 identifiedMore from GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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