Coping with Serious Illness: Danielle Chammas and Amanda Moment
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
50 min
4 speakers
6 chapters
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What is the purpose of this episode and who are the guests?
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Welcome to the JerryPal podcast. This is Eric Guidara.
This is Alex Smith.
And Alex, who do we have with us today?
We are delighted to welcome back Danny Shamas, who is a psychiatrist and palliative care doc at UCSF in the Division of Palliative Medicine. Danny, welcome back to JerryPal.
Excited to be back.
And we're delighted to welcome Amanda Moment, who is a palliative care social worker at the Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. Amanda, welcome to Jerry Pal.
Thanks for having me.
We are going to talk about coping. And part of this came up and we'll get into it was a New England journal piece that Danny wrote, Should I Laugh at That? Coping in the setting of serious illness. But before we jump into that topic, which is a pretty hefty topic, Danny, I think you have a song request for Alex.
Indeed, I'm gonna request It's Okay by Nightbird.
Why did you pick this up?
By this song. Um, I I love this song as a piece of art, but I also chose it because the artist was a young woman who wrote and sang this song during her journey with terminal cancer and She has since died, but the song lives on and it was, in my opinion, a big piece of her unique coping to create and share this song. So it felt very fitting to today's discussion.
How did you find this song? This isn't not on pop radio, right?
Uh I didn't know I was gonna get outed this early. I watch America's Got Talent with my children and Nightbird auditioned with this song and got Simon Cowell's Golden Buzzer and my kids love watching the moment when the glitter falls on her face. So we watched it a lot of times.
Oh wow.
Yeah. I watched American Idol for years, my wife and I, and it was I have to say I watched this video of America's Got Talent and I was bawling. My wife was like, What's going on over there? It's like all No
garlic. It's it's the onions.
It was great. So here's a little bit.
I moved to California in the summertime. I changed my name thinking it would change my mind. Thought that all my problems they would stay behind. I was a stick of dynamite, and it was just a matter of time. Oh dang oh my now I can't hide said I knew myself but I guess
I lied It's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay If you're lost we're all little lost It's alright it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay If you're lost, we're all little lost, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright.
Thank you, Alex. Nice song, Danny. Thank you. Beautiful choice.
Thanks. Yeah, I could feel the America's Got Talent glitter dropping on us all.
Okay, Danny, I gotta ask a question. So you just published not too long ago, I forget exact when it was, New England Journal. Should I laugh at that? Coping in the setting of a serious illness about a patient encounter you had with somebody who used an a coping style that we see not infrequently. Do you wanna describe kind of in your own words? Again, I you probably haven't read it in a while. What that patient encounter was like.
Yeah. Yeah, I r I I remember it well because on paper it was A very sad case, young man terminal cancer coming in for the first time. And I remember reading the chart and expecting Happiness, expecting a lot of heaviness. It's really hard for us all when someone so young is going to die and he came in. And started cracking jokes, these dark humor, pseudo appropriate, pseudo inappropriate jokes from the start. And I was taken aback. And then he was just so cracking up at how taken aback I was. And so he kept him coming and
What was his sticker? What did his sticker say again?
It was metast he gave me stickers that said it was metastasized when I got here. Yeah. Or the first thing he said when I met, he was like, What's the dat the difference between my dad and cancer? I was like, What? He was like, Well, at least my dad didn't beat me. I was like So taken aback. It was not what I was expecting to see in the room. And I was wondering, like, what do I do right now? Do I
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the purpose of this episode and who are the guests?
0:00–13:43
2
Why did Danny request the song “It’s Okay” and how does it illustrate coping?
13:43–23:23
3
How do Danny and Amanda define “coping” in serious illness?
23:23–29:38
4
What is the difference between adaptive and maladaptive coping, and why is the healthy/unhealthy label misleading?
29:38–35:07
5
How does context (time, culture, family role) influence whether a coping strategy is helpful?
35:07–45:29
6
What can clinicians learn from the young patient who used humor as a coping tool?
45:29–50:22
Speakers
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