Rehab and Death in Skilled Nursing Facilities: Sarguni Singh, Christian Furman, and Lynn Flint
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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What is the purpose of the “Rehab and Death” study and why is it important for Medicare SNF beneficiaries?
This episode of the Jerry Pal podcast is sponsored by Indiana University Health's geriatrics department in partnership with Indiana University's School of Medicine. A really amazing group. Great group. Great group of individuals. We've got a lot of them on. We've got a lot. You want to hear who? Doing some amazing, innovative stuff. Amazing work. So we've had Malaz Bustani. We've had Kathleen Unrow. We've had Meredith Green. We've had Chris Callahan. We recently had Greg Saxon. We had Lexi Torkey. And I'm sure I missed some in our review. We've got to give IU like a special like plaque. The most amount of Jerry Bell podcast. Terrific opportunities to work there if you're interested. Yeah, they're looking for physician faculty to join them in inpatient, outpatient settings.
To learn more, go to our show notes of this episode to find the recruitment link. And on to the show. Hi, Jerry Powell listeners. Before we start the next show, we just want to do a quick thank you to the donors who've recently donated to the Jerry Powell podcast over $250, including... And if you want to donate, please click the donate button on our Jerry Powell website. And on to the show! This episode of the Jerry Paul podcast is CME eligible. To claim credit, please go to the CME tab on jerrypal.org. Welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast. This is Eric Widera. This is Alex Smith. And Alex, who do we have with us today? Today, we're delighted to welcome back Sarguni Singh, who's a hospitalist researcher at the University of Colorado.
And you can listen to her on our prior podcast on palliative care and rehab. I last saw Sarguni in Banff. I think we were painting together in painting class.
We were,
yeah. That's how palliative care researchers roll. Sarguni, welcome back to Jerry Powell.
Thanks for having me.
And we're delighted to welcome Christian Fuhrman, who's a geriatrician and palliative care doc at the University of Louisville. Christian, welcome to GeriPAL.
Yes, thank you so much.
And we're delighted to welcome back Lynn Flint, who's been on many times as a guest, as a host, as a guest host. She is a palliative care doc and directs UCSF's Jerry Pal Fellowship. Lynn, welcome back to Jerry Pal.
Thanks for having me.
So we're going to be talking about rehab and death. This is kind of a playoff of past podcasts we did on rehab to death. talking about skilled nursing facilities, hospices, and hospitals, these transitions all between the two, the incentives that may misalign with people's goals. But before we do that, I think we have a song request. Lynn, do you have a song request?
I have a favorite singer. Lynn
is a Swifty.
I'm a Swifty. Nothing from the new album was appropriate for today. Is
that because you don't like the new album?
We will do some supplementary materials about that. However, I like a very direct metaphor for the Jerry Powell podcast. So I thought we could do out of the woods because I think it's a good metaphor for when you go from the hospital to the sniff. It's like, okay, are we out of the woods here? And it's never totally clear. And that's, you know, Taylor's not talking about the hospital. She's talking about a relationship, but close enough.
All right. Great choice. I had a lot of fun with this. For the prerecorded version, you'll hear I went a little crazy.
Great.
It was a lot of fun.
Looking at it now It all seems so simple We were lying on your couch I remember You took a Polaroid of us Then discovered The rest of the world was black and white But we were in screaming color And I remember thinking Are we out of the woods yet? Are we out of the woods yet? Are we out of the woods? Are we in the clear yet? Are we in the clear yet? In the clear yet? Are we out of the woods yet? Are we out of the woods yet? Are we out of the woods? Are we in the clear yet? Are we in the clear yet? In the clear yet?
Awesome. That was so good. What an interpretation. Well,
I saw there was a version of Taylor Swift doing it live on solo piano at the Grammy
Museum.
It was incredible. I mean, she is an incredible artist. Hit every note perfectly.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the purpose of the “Rehab and Death” study and why is it important for Medicare SNF beneficiaries?
0:00–5:33
2
How do the authors define the “rehab‑to‑death” cycle that many seriously ill patients experience after hospital discharge?
5:33–12:09
3
What are the main Medicare policy barriers that prevent concurrent hospice and skilled‑nursing‑facility care?
12:09–17:42
4
How does the Patient‑Driven Payment Model (PDPM) change incentives for skilled‑nursing facilities and affect end‑of‑life care?
17:42–23:54
5
What data and research gaps do the authors identify as critical for improving SNF end‑of‑life care?
23:54–30:19
6
What are the three policy recommendations (GAO report, PDPM‑based palliative billing, and concurrent care pilot) and how might they work in practice?
30:19–36:44
7
How could a 20‑day “rehab‑or‑hospice” trial be structured to give patients and families clearer choices?
36:44–43:38
8
If you could change one thing in the current system with a magic wand, what would it be and why?
43:38–49:20
Speakers
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