The Chaplain and the Doctor: A Podcast with Betty Clark and Jessica Zitter
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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What is the documentary "The Chaplain and the Doctor" about and who are the guests?
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Welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast. This is Eric Widera. This is Alex Smith. And Alex, we are going to be talking about parts of a new movie that I just watched not too long ago called The Chaplain and the Doctor and how we think about that in the hospital setting and the importance of the movie, but also like in a professional care and tons of stuff. Who do we have with us?
Today we have the chaplain and the doctor. The
chaplain and the doctor from the movie. So
first, I'm delighted to introduce Betty Clark, who's a chaplain on the palliative care service at Highland Hospital in Oakland, California, where she also supervises palliative care chaplain trainees who are volunteering and learning to be volunteer chaplains. Betty, welcome to the Jerry Powell podcast.
Thank you.
Delighted to have you. And we're welcoming back Jessica Zitter, who is a pulmonary critical care doc and palliative care doc, author and filmmaker, and also works at Highland Hospital in Oakland. Jessica, welcome back to the Jerry Pell Podcast.
Oh, great to be here again.
Yeah, we were talking about giving the people who are returning to our podcast a lot, like giving them like an SNL, they give you a special jacket if you've been on a number of times.
So
But we got a lot to talk about. We're going to be talking about the new movie that you have. We're going to be talking about how we should think about that and lessons learned. But before we do, we always ask for a song request. Betty, I think you have a song request for Alex.
It is a song from the movie and it is really about my life.
Is this an original song or is this who, yeah?
It's written by our director. Producer. Producer. She took the words, listened to what I've said over the years and put the words down and then someone put it to music. And I have to just tell
you that she called me at three in the morning and said, I just came up with the song for the film. And she read it because she knew I was awake. Anyway, it is her song.
And what's the song called?
What's it called? What is it called?
I
don't
know. A nasty now and now.
And is there a story behind why it's the nasty now and now?
Well, the pastor who trained me, Dr. J. Alfred Smith, always said that a lot of clergy talk about the sweet by and by, but they forget about the nasty now and now.
That's good.
Living in real life.
That it's not all just the really nice stuff, but everything else. Let's hear it, Alex.
Well, I've kind of folkified this from the version in the movie that scrolls over the opening credits. So here's a little bit, the opening verse and the refrain.
So
Friend, I've got a testimony as I've written my life story So much laughter, many chapters, though some fleeting There's a lesson I've learned and I've often returned Told you once, maybe twice, but I'll tell you again For if you're always dreaming of the sweet by and by, you might just miss the nasty now and now. Now and now. Now and now. You just might miss the nasty now and now.
That was lovely.
Thank you.
Okay, Ben, I got to ask. So I love this concept of the nasty. Is that part of your teaching as you're teaching these, you know, chaplain volunteers?
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the documentary "The Chaplain and the Doctor" about and who are the guests?
0:00–10:33
2
How does the song "Nasty Now and Now" illustrate the film’s theme of confronting uncomfortable truths?
10:33–18:44
3
What does the episode reveal about personal bias and the “nasty now and now” in patient care?
18:44–40:11
4
How did Betty and Jessica’s partnership help break down racial bias during a patient encounter?
40:11–46:15
Speakers
4 identifiedMore from GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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