Well-being and Resilience: a Podcast with Jane Thomas, Naomi Saks, Ishwaria Subbiah
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GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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What do wellness, well‑being, resilience, and burnout actually mean for healthcare providers?
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Welcome to the Jerry Powell Podcast, this is Eric Wadera.
This is Alex Smith. And Alex, who do we have with us
today?
We are delighted to welcome Jane Delema Thomas, who was a co-fellow with me back in the day in palliative care. She's a geriatrician and palliative care doc and is associate chair for professional development in the Department of Psychosocial Oncology and Palliative Care at the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and Harvard Medical School. Jane, welcome to the Jerry Pal podcast.
Thank you so much for inviting me.
And we're delighted to welcome Ishwarya Subaya, who is an oncologist and palliative care doc, and is executive director of cancer care equity and professional wellness at the Sarah Cannon Research Institute in Nashville, Tennessee, and also oversees wellness for US oncology. Ishwarya, welcome to JerryPal.
Such a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.
And we're delighted to welcome back to the podcast Naomi Sachs, who's a palliative care chaplain, assistant professor in the division of palliative medicine at UCSF, and Director of Individual and Collective Wellbeing for the Hospice and Palliative Medicine Fellowship at UCSF. Naomi, welcome back to Jerry Powell.
Great to be here.
So we're gonna be talking about wellness and resiliency, or even if if those are the terms that I should be using now, because everything seems to be changing. But before we do, I think somebody has a song request for Alex. Who has a song request?
I do.
Naomi, what's the song?
What's it called again?
Oh beautiful.
Thank you.
By Christina Aguilera.
Naomi, did you pick the song or did Alice? No, I
did, I really did.
She did. She sent me a huge list and so that's why she's like, I don't remember which one he chose. Why'd you
pick the song, Naomi?
Um, because it really talks about this beautiful uh experience of our beloved, which is ourselves, the part that we often um cut out of the equation. And so I just thought it was really beautiful.
Thank you, Alex.
Every day is so wonderful. Then suddenly It's hard to breathe. Now and then I get insecure from all the pain. I'm so ashamed. I am beautiful no matter what they say. Words can bring me down. I am beautiful in every single way. Yes, words can't bring me down. Won't you bring me down? Two days.
That is a lovely song. It's been a while since I heard it. Thank you, Naomi.
Beautiful. Words can't bring me down.
Okay. I'm gonna start off with the question that I had earlier. I think we titled this wellness and resiliency, but I see a lot of words that are being bantered around. I even heard in people's titles. So uh wellness, well being, resiliency, burnout. How should I have titled this? Naomi, I'm gonna turn to you. Thoughts on kind of where we are? I know you you work with our fellows a lot on this. How do you talk to them about these terms and these definitions?
So really good question. One, I always let people name their own experience. So that is one of the things I've learned and all the people I work with teach me is actually we ask people what they what they call it, what they call their experience. But there's been a big shift, I would say, in the last five or ten years. Of programs that focus on this idea that if you just were good enough and better, we're gonna burn you out and ask you to do yoga afterwards. And if you were just if you were just strong enough and more organized, you could take care of yourself. So people are are not so excited about this idea of resilience in the old fashioned way. This idea that it's up to you if you were just if you could make it, if you could
If if we can just make you a little bit more resilient, you can increase your RVUs so you can see more patients. So we're gonna mandate you take this uh mandatory resiliency training after work on this online module.
Right. So we know that we and in healthcare and all of our colleagues are some of the most resilient people that ever existed. I mean, in other work hard working environments as well.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What do wellness, well‑being, resilience, and burnout actually mean for healthcare providers?
0:00–15:59
2
How have the definitions of wellness and resilience changed over the past decade?
15:59–23:33
3
Why do clinicians feel that resilience programs often feel inauthentic or metric‑driven?
23:33–37:18
4
What role does personal authenticity play in preventing moral injury and burnout?
37:18–50:48
Speakers
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