Host Troy Baker and The Last of Us showrunners Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann are joined by special guest and co-writer of this episode, as well as The Last of Us Part II game, Halley Gross! The group chats about why they decided to structure this episode around Ellie’s birthdays, why they didn’t want to change a thing about the Apollo 15 launch scene, what brought two Naughty Dog colleagues to tears on set, and why Neil considers the porch scene the most important moment of the entire story. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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