Chapter 1: What was the internet like before social media?
My generation was really the last generation that we had no social media. I remember the Oregon Trail was like the shit. The dial-up sound. AOL chat rooms. Myspace. Chat roulette. It's a dangerous place. I look what? Well, I am. I am terrified of AI. The internet was already scary enough. She was like, ASMR. How the fuck do you know what ASMR is? No, I'm not AI. I'm not AI.
I can't skip. I'm trying to get out of here.
When Keeping Up premiered, did you gain more control over your image? I don't know what an image was. How do you balance posting for you versus posting for Chloe the brand? Am I supposed to think like this? I'm also never offended if someone unfollows me. How does one even know that?
I don't even know.
What the hell's mukbangs? Hi, you guys. Thank you for joining me on Chloe in Wonderland. I'm so happy to have you guys with me here. Today, I want to talk about digital life. And what I find so interesting and what I get asked a lot about is that my generation was really a...
the last generation that, I don't want to say we still had real life because that's unfair to say, but we had no social media. We had no real internet. Dial-up started. I remember when dial-up started. I remember when we were given Facebook and MySpace and all of those other platforms, which were before Twitter and Instagram and TikTok and all those things. No one will ever know
life without the internet now, which there's pros and cons to everything. I think it makes me really sad for my kids just because I knew life before any of that. And I knew what it meant to be bored. I knew what it meant to have to go make friends with your neighbors. I knew what it meant to call someone's landline and have to speak to their parents and entertain their parents and have...
the proper conversation, those things no one has to do anymore. So you almost don't know how to do that kind of stuff. Even making appointments or reservations, you can do all of that online. So those humanly tools... that we learned the older we got, kids don't really have to learn that stuff anymore. It's so strange.
I also think that's why people fall in love with creations they've made on AI or robots. Or I read all these crazy stories that I find outlandish, but I understand how people get there because we now live in a society that it's basically touchless. It can be human-less if you need it to be. Yeah.
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Chapter 2: How did early social media platforms shape online interactions?
other people, especially for us. We were newly coming up into filming our show. We were newly doing new projects. I loved using Twitter as almost a focus group for so many of our businesses. And at the time, everyone was so much more positive. I don't think people realize you could use these things for negativity or evil at the time.
I don't remember experiencing a lot of negativity when social media first came out. I think people were so happy to communicate with one another. And when we did, I remember we, my sisters and I were writing a book and we were thinking of the title for it. And I remember us tweeting out like three different titles and we let people on Twitter pick one.
the title for the book we use social media as a focus group and it was nothing scary we weren't it wasn't negative it was when people were really like supportive and rooting for one another and it was just a different space Now it's a much scarier space, I will say, that you have to navigate through. I also remember my little sisters, Kendall and Kylie, they wanted social media.
My mom said they can get social media as long as Chloe always has your password and she'll be checking. And I remember Kylie said, I don't know if you ever actually checked our social media, but Kendall and I were in such fear that you would. So we were always on our best behavior because I would check the DMs and everything. And I thought that's really cute that they still remember that.
And then next came Instagram. You just posted whatever you wanted to post. Captions weren't really a thing. Aesthetic was not a thing. Lighting was not a thing. No one knew what they were doing. It was just fun. It was like, this is my mood board. This is what I'm doing. It could be like a Starbucks cup or like...
a can of something it was the strangest content we were posting if you probably went to the beginning of my instagram page lord only knows what it is it's probably ridiculous but that was the fun no one really thought about it and no one was being judged for it but then instagram took a turn that everything had to look perfect the aesthetic like the your aesthetic page on your profile page has to all be cohesive i don't know when that all happened but it happened
But I do think it's crazy that the generation under me and beyond will never know life before social media or the internet. And to me, that's crazy. I feel really lucky that I get to experience both. I love that I have the reference point of life before the internet. Our show came out before there was real social media.
And I remember then we used to use our show to debunk rumors or set the record straight, if you will. We had our show and that was our platform. And that's how we gave our side of the story or whatnot. Then Twitter came around, and then we used Twitter as a similar tool.
If we wanted to fight with someone, yell at someone, set the record straight, like I said, use it as a focus group, get people's opinions, we used Twitter, and it was an incredible marketing tool. It also was a place that you weren't afraid to say the way you felt. You didn't have to worry about cancel culture and let me overthink every last thing I say, and am I offending this person or...
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Chapter 3: What role did Twitter play in shaping public perception?
I love texting. I think my job is so consuming of talking all day long that at the end of the day, I'm like, I just can't talk to another person. But I realize when I'm not working as much or like on the weekends, I do miss the art of a phone call and like let me chit chat on the phone with my girlfriends and like get caught up on everything. But people don't do that anymore.
And now if someone, they call it cold calling, you can't call someone without announcing you're going to call them. So like when people call me a little bit, I'm so sorry, I just cold called you. Do you have a second? I'm like, back in the day, it was only cold calling. Like you just called people and like saw what they were up to. The mystery of life is is gone. There's no mystery.
And I think mystery, especially when dating someone is so important. When you get home for the day, you get to be like, what'd you do today? What'd you eat? Where'd you go? How was your day? Now everyone's documenting, hey, I'm at Starbucks and I'm going to lunch in three minutes and then I'm going to go swimming. Everything is now documented that
No one even has to ask you how your day was because I sort of know how your day was. My wish is that my kids still get that humanization by not feeling like they need to document every single thing. They get to ask people how their day was. They get to keep things private and for themselves. I mean, it's sad to me.
And then I just wonder someone that doesn't know life before the internet, like maybe it's not sad to them. Maybe this is their norm is just, everything should be exposed. I don't know. It's very weird. I always get asked, like, do I still have privacy? Yes.
I have tons of privacy when it comes to social media because I don't, I'm not someone that even feels comfortable like vlogging my whole day. It's just not what I'm used to. So it's not the first thing that I do. So, so much of it I don't post. There are a lot of intimate moments that I'm not posting or projecting out there. But the fun, cute ones I like to put out there.
And I'm not thinking about this is going to hundreds of millions of people. I'm doing it more like I want my inner circle to see this. Do you feel awkward recording in public? Oh my gosh, I feel so awkward recording in public. I am not someone... that could publicly like set up my phone and do like a dance or something like, well, first of all, I'm not dancing.
That's not the type of person I am, but I see people set up their phones or they even do like set up shots. Like I saw someone was explaining how they do like a running video and they set it up and then they went back a block away, ran until they were off camera, then went back to their phone. I'm like, but aren't you really running? So to me, I would never alter my day.
Like if I'm filming a workout, I'm filming it on a tripod. If it's rough, there you go. I'm not slowing down my workout or repeating things just for the content. I can't wrap my head around that. But then I know some people, this is their sole job and that's what they do. I just don't understand that. Like, What a crazy life to me.
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Chapter 4: How has cancel culture impacted social media dynamics?
What's your name?
Chloe.
Are you streaming?
No, I'm on chat roulette.
What is the big microphone?
Oh, this is how I like to talk on Chat Roulette.
How old are you?
41. How old are you?
You look 41.
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Chapter 5: Why is AI viewed as a threat in today's digital landscape?
Are you game studio?
I am. I'm in my podcast studio, but I love chat roulette. So I needed to take a break and go on chat.
What kind of podcast do you do?
I don't even know. I just sit and talk and like say my thoughts. What are you doing?
Do you have guests or is it just you?
Sometimes I have guests, but mainly it's just me. I don't know why I feel like are you a gamer because of your headphones?
I used to play a few games.
Where do you live?
Czech Republic.
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