It's gettin' hot in here! Things are heatin' up this week as the boys dive headfirst into the flames and take a look at what it means to be a Pyromaniac with three of the deadliest cases of Pyromania from across the globe. For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.
Chapter 1: What is pyromania and how is it defined clinically?
Welcome to the pyromania episode, ladies and gentlemen.
As we just went through bear law, dog law.
Picnic law. Yeah, picnic law. You know, where to avoid the piss at the park. Yes. Yes, this is our exploration on pyromania.
Yeah, fire.
Hell yeah. Fire, fire.
I am the god of hellfire. And I bring you fire. I bring you to burn.
God, can we play that?
No, absolutely not. We can just say, just go yourself and go listen to the crazy world of Arthur Brown.
Oh, the best song ever. Now, the simplest definition of pyromania, or at least the one most people probably use when they think of the subject, is the habitual setting of fires as an act of pleasure. But after dipping into the research, we found that the reasons behind pyromania are complicated and varied, although there are some unifying factors.
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Chapter 2: What distinguishes pyromaniacs from arsonists?
Oh, yes. But it's very different than pyromania.
Very different. And there's also a massive difference between a pyromaniac and your garden variety arsonist. While many arsonists have antisocial personality disorders, one study found that only a quarter of arsonists qualify as pyromaniacs.
Hmm.
See, unlike a crooked landlord who's adept at burning down buildings for insurance payouts. That's arson. That's arson. Yeah. Pyromaniacs don't set fire for monetary gain, nor do they do it for sociopolitical ideology, the concealment of criminal activity, to express anger or vengeance, to improve one's living circumstances, or as a result of impaired judgment.
Interestingly, though, neither do most of them do it for sexual purposes.
Yeah.
Which I honestly thought was the main motivation before we got into all this research. Rather, in one study that interviewed 1,100 pyromaniacs, only 5% reported a sexual thrill when starting fires.
I mean, I would probably lie about that part.
Yeah, I'm not hard for it. So when the orphanage was burning, did you masturbate? Nah.
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Chapter 3: How do neurodivergent disorders like ADHD and autism relate to pyromania?
Did the cow live?
God, no. No, no, the cow burned. Now, the fire did indeed start at the O'Leary's small dairy business, but it's equally likely that the fire began when embers from a chimney settled on a stack of hay. It's also equally likely that the fire was started by a boarder at the O'Leary home, Dennis Pegleg Sullivan. Yeah!
who may have accidentally lit the hay on fire with a cigarette while drinking and smoking with his friends in the barn. Luckily for the Irish, the cow story won out, and to this day, it's still widely believed to be the cause of the fire.
No, I'll be the one of the new brave men here in 2025 to blame the Irish. Fuck you, Irish. I'm destroying the beloved first city of Chicago and putting the blame on a cow.
You know, and not a single Irishman in the room. No. Rob? Rob? Okunowitz. Oh, Okunowitz.
Okunowitz sounds Polish. He is Polish. It's a hybrid name. Oh. One of those. Yeah, I understand.
Okunowitz, I always thought it was like, yeah, Polish, not like Okunowitz. It is.
Huh.
Interesting. Get out of here.
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Chapter 4: Who was Brendan Sokolak and what was his role in the Black Saturday bushfires?
Chapter 5: Why is Australia particularly prone to wildfires and how do local plants contribute?
Yeah. And she's not even in the movie. She's in the end of the film. She's barely in the fucking movie. I made him watch it.
He's so mad about it.
I'm so mad about that. I couldn't believe it. What the fuck? Why call it that? But it is nice because then it changes.
Everyone dresses up like her. Like, who gives a shit? She's not in the fucking movie. But Natalie and I then do have an inside joke from that movie because she always goes, Henry. Because that's what the lady says to Dr. Frankenstein because his name's Henry. Oh, Henry.
It's very cute. He's that great. There are, however, some interesting through-lines when it comes to pyromania. While the study of pyromania is not as deep as we'd like it because some in the mental health field refuse to accept it as a diagnosis, what we do see is that a lot of pyromaniacs share two things, childhood abuse and or bullying, along with neurodivergence.
Now, this through line was noticed by our head researcher, Joel, who is himself proudly autistic. It's also probably not going to surprise you when I say that LPN, as a company, is chock full of neurodivergent people, as many people in our employee have been diagnosed as having autism spectrum disorder, or ASD. Wow, I thought we did the blood purity test. Unfortunately, we're all vaccinated.
Oh, yeah, it's been hard.
Yeah. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and take this opportunity to come out myself as neurodivergent. Sure. I'll be it in a different way. See, last fall, my mental disorder was re-diagnosed. And I was told, much to my surprise and bewilderment, that I do not have, nor have I ever had, bipolar disorder.
I spent 20 years treating the wrong condition because one psychiatrist in Lubbock, Texas fucked up way back in 2006. And all my subsequent mental health professionals just took his word for it until my new guy here in L.A. finally questioned the original diagnosis. After a lot of testing, I was correctly diagnosed as having severe ADHD, which can sometimes mimic the symptoms of bipolar disorder.
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Chapter 6: What childhood experiences and behaviors are common among pyromaniacs?
Chapter 7: What challenges do investigators face in proving arson and pyromania?
Now, Sokolak had no criminal record, but upon questioning, police immediately found his demeanor to be strange and suspicious, and their suspicion only increased when they began asking around the neighborhood for more information on Brendan.
Sokolak had been seen driving around the area slowly, watching the fires burn on Black Saturday, which didn't really surprise anyone because smoke and flames tended to follow Brendan Sokolak wherever he went.
Yeah, it's not like he was David Lee Roth. This is what's set up. It wasn't rehearsed. It was hot for teacher. Ooh, I don't know if he fucked his teacher. Oh, it's more of the hot fire thing. Oh, sure, sure, sure. I think about fucking teachers.
I mean, if we're going Van Halen, I would say it's more like he caused an eruption. Oh, I see.
You really got me.
You fucking piece of shit.
Locals also said that Brendan was known to have problems with skulking around town.
That is an Australian thing.
Yes. And there's nothing wrong with a little light skulking.
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Chapter 8: What is rejection sensitive dysphoria and how might it trigger pyromaniac episodes?
Additionally, after Brendan was fired from his groundskeeping job, he may have been in the throes of a neurodivergent symptom called rejection sensory dysphoria. in which a person is emotionally or psychically affected to an excessive degree after being left out or told that they aren't allowed in a place where they feel like they belong.
And pyromaniac episodes very often happen after a giant emotional change and shift.
Very much so. Sometimes people with RSD become people pleasers or perfectionists to avoid being excluded or treated badly for fucking up in any way whatsoever. But others, like Brendan, go in the entirely opposite direction by acting out destructively. See, in the months before the Black Saturday bushfire, neighbors noticed that Brendan had been setting larger and larger fires in his yard.
And when a neighbor expressed concern over a gigantic bonfire that Brendan had lit by himself on New Year's Eve, Brendan didn't even acknowledge that the neighbor was talking to him. This all came in the year after Brendan had been fired from his job, which was very much a situation in which Brendan was told he wasn't allowed in a place where he thought he belonged.
I'll keep the ground. The ground's there. And you're going to tell me you're going to keep the ground for me? The man who keeps the ground? Almost set on fire.
Fire. Now, one of the activities that those with ASD and ADHD engage in is something called stimming, which is a physical action that helps the individual deal with sensory overload. For me, I now recognize that chain smoking used to be my main stim. These days, I play with plasticine clay if I'm at home.
I play with coins in my pockets if I'm in public, or I obsessively chew nicotine gum no matter what's going on.
You sure that's not just your crippling addiction to nicotine?
Well, that's the thing. It's actually connected. Yeah, people with ADHD are actually far more likely to be addicted to nicotine. It's the stimulant.
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