Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello Dopaminers, this week I have deep-dived Reddit to find the 20 most common ways that ADHD people find dopamine. I'm going to ask Rox which 20 she does and we'd love to know yours too.
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It's a good platform, isn't it? Like to research and stuff.
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Chapter 2: What are the common ways ADHDers chase dopamine?
Do you need to take a call? Can I continue? Yeah. Right. Number one, new personality hobbies. So getting a new hobby and it becoming your entire personality.
Would that count if I became obsessed with making resin, bought all of the gear, industrial grade, started an Etsy shop called House of Resin and just bought the domain name and decided to dedicate my life and your life to resin?
That would be one, yeah. And do you know what? Stuff like that used to surprise me. It used to be a big thing. But that's just one example of many. Yeah. Isn't it? So like whatever you start getting into.
Pottery painting phase, that was lovely.
Yeah.
We used to go pottery painting every weekend.
Surprisingly expensive though, pottery painting, I would say.
Resin was also expensive.
Oh my God, resin.
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Chapter 3: How do research spirals affect decision-making for ADHDers?
Something that comes to mind as well is your driving theory test. So you waited until the morning of your test before researching it and you achieved it. You passed it because you spent four hours reading the highway code. Okay, so seven out of seven. Number eight, productive procrastination.
Yeah, I always do this. The only time you'll find me cleaning is when I'm avoiding another task. I kind of see it as... and you use this with me, say if somebody needs to empty the dishwasher and somebody needs to fold the laundry, you'll offer me up both knowing that I'll choose the dishwasher, the easier one.
Yeah.
So I can seem to work when I'm avoiding other work. Yeah. Um, does it give me dopamine? Yeah, probably the avoidance of a horrible task would be. So that's another tick.
I remember when we were first together before we knew about ADHD, you actually explained, described yourself as you always do things as long as it's not what you're meant to be doing. And I didn't really understand that until living with you. Number nine, fantasy self-planning. So this is, yeah, I guess, well, you go on.
The fact that I'm going to lose 20 pounds in four weeks and go to hot yoga five times a week.
For the next 10 years. Yeah.
Or run a marathon or swim the channel. It is like fantasizing. Is it like a fantasy version of you, like this perfect version of you that's like doing all this stuff and is organized and finally gets clean and.
Yeah, but I can see why there would be dopamine in that. It's like jumping into a fantasy of your own life. The only problem with it is obviously it comes with when you don't do any of this stuff. It's like maybe adds to a bit of shame and stuff later down the line.
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Chapter 4: What role do little treats play in maintaining motivation?
And there was sort of a few people sort of looking around like, what? Because modern me... Has chilled out. But when I was younger, I was known for getting in screaming matches over politics, getting in bar fights if somebody was offensive to one of my friends or I heard something racist or homophobic. Like I would get in, I would get in fist fights.
I've seen videos about this on the internet, actually, that there's a lot of dopamine in arguing. So...
Yeah, it kind of, well, is it the dopamine? You just, oh, you feel like you're doing the right thing. It makes you alive. Obviously in today's context, I imagine a lot of people do that online. So if you kind of see injustice and then you get into arguments with people online and that's kind of bringing... it's kind of like a sick twisted dopamine. It engages because it enrages.
I don't know if it feels good, but you certainly feel alive by kind of arguing your point, being right, getting into it with some idiot stranger.
I would say that's, that is dopamine. Yeah.
I don't, I don't do that anymore. I'm just like, you hate me. Awesome. Move on, baby.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's a yes.
Okay, I think we know where this is going, don't we? Number 14, crushes and limerence.
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Chapter 5: How do music obsessions influence ADHD behavior?
Yeah. Okay. Number 15, self-destructive stimulation.
So not so much now. Like there's little moments when my self-destructive nature might peep out with overspending maybe, or like being really impulsive, like sack off work and go here. When I was in my twenties, early thirties, that was drink, drugs, risky behavior, sleeping on the street,
After parties with strangers, I just, I put myself in some awful situations because yeah, you're led by the excitement.
Well, pure dopamine probably. Of the risk. Yeah. Okay. Number 16, spirituality. You've gone through a few phases of this actually, haven't you?
Yeah. Yeah.
Talk us through quickly. Give us a brief rundown of your spirituality journey.
I've never, I've never made the link between spirituality and chasing dopamine. So my world is just currently crashing around me. Yeah. Yeah. I can't sum up. a 20 year journey with different religions and spirituality and philosophical positions in the two minutes I've got. But let's just say I've been involved and I've taken it pretty far.
Whether that was Christianity, new age spirituality, like tarot cards and Christianity did hit pretty hard. I was like, oh my God.
I remember the tarot card era, actually.
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Chapter 6: What is the impact of doom scrolling on ADHDers?
Okay. Um,
Just in case there was any doubt that you do in fact have ADHD, babe.
I don't think so. Okay. Starting new projects is a way to go. To get dopamine, I mean, I just feel like ironic sitting here in the late bloomers podcast studio that was started a year and a half ago. And then we've got the W bodily body doubling app that was started two and a half years ago. And then our ADHD love videos that was started four years ago, five years ago was the resin business.
What a different path we could have been on if that had taken off.
If we'd been like resin influencers, that was my dream. I really, really believed we were going to be like the next big thing in resin.
You would have got bored of it so quickly.
Yeah, but then I would have just started the soap maker. That's the thing. And by the way, this is such a toxic trait of ADHD that nobody ever talks about. One of our favorite ways to avoid the actual work of a new project is to start a new project. And by the way, it only works temporarily. So like in the planning of it, the imagining, the fantasy, you feel great. You're avoiding the real work.
You're living in full fantasy land. Incredible. But then that becomes real work. And then you've just got two things. Like, can we just for a second, like, I love my life. I love you. I love the work we do. It's so good. But can we just take a second to look at what I have done? Music career. Songwriting career. Online ADHD educator. App developer.
Or books written.
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