hosts Neil and Eric break down why product builders get more respect than agencies, how bad agency experiences shape perception, and why products compound better than labor. They unpack AI-first teams, compensation tradeoffs, employee churn, and why going all-in on AI without people is risky. The conversation shifts to Meta’s potential Manis acquisition, AI agents in marketing, data privacy concerns, and how creators fall into audience capture through rage bait and political content. Key Takeaways Product vs agency perception matters AI scales work but people still matter Audience capture can destroy creators Chapters (00:00) Product vs agency perception (01:38) Why agencies get a bad rap (03:56) Compensation and incentives (05:12) AI-only companies debate (07:08) Meta and Manis acquisition (09:13) AI agents in marketing (11:57) Data privacy and China (13:06) Rage bait and audience capture

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