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My Therapist Ghosted Me

Getting Arrested, Chappell Roan Drama & Mushrooms

27 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What exciting experiences does Joanne share from her time in Los Angeles?

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This is a Global Player original podcast.

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12.219 - 41.922 Joanne McNally

Hello from Hollywood. I'm in Los Angeles. Are you in America? I'm in America, Vogue. I'm in L.A. I'm in the Hollywood Hills. I just had breakfast with Whoopi Goldberg and Sting. Wowee. Yeah. I do like them. I'm off to meet Kevin Hart now. Oh, fantastic. Tell him I was asking for him. Bono wanted to meet me. I said, Bono, I said, I've no time to hang out with Irish people over here.

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42.422 - 65.806 Joanne McNally

I'm flat out networking. And sure you didn't enjoy U2 anyway, did you not? I didn't enjoy U2 in the sphere, as we know, notoriously disenjoyed it. Do you know that I actually met a guy yesterday who I had met in the sphere. We went for drinks. Christine and my Irish agent had to keep bringing me in and out of the box in the sphere because I was getting, in inverted commas, overexcited.

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67.75 - 69.714 Joanne McNally

From the girl who hated you too.

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Yeah.

71.243 - 93.69 Joanne McNally

I never hated them I am a YouTube fan but he was saying that I was being brought in and out he's like do you not remember I was like no memory of that at all fucking mental anyway good times I thought you were you were in the corner knitting not even like looking up at them because you didn't enjoy it even though I saw you hanging off the balcony dancing I know I was trying to I was trying to climb my way down to David Grell

95.054 - 114.841 Joanne McNally

God love him. He's back, David. He's back. He says, I read an interview with David Grohl the other day because remember he had the issue with the- So weird that you call him David. Dave, Dave. Is it Dave Grohl? My friend Dave. Hey, Grohl. Yeah, that works. Yeah. Yeah. He's like McNally. Apparently, I read an interview with him the other day. It was in The Guardian.

114.861 - 119.307 Joanne McNally

He was saying that he did therapy every day for a year.

120.383 - 148.831 Vogue Williams

You see, that concerns me. I mean, I feel like some people seem over-therapized. Like, you know, when Prince Harry started, well, talking publicly. It was very obvious that he had been through a lot of therapy. And sometimes I feel that I am, I love therapy. I think it's a great tool to help you. But I think that sometimes it can be quite a lot.

Chapter 2: What drama surrounds Chappell Roan that Joanne discusses?

226.334 - 257.327 Joanne McNally

Maybe I am. if Anastasia can wear glasses inside now I do actually think she has an eye condition I don't know if she does my condition is I'm in LA and it's 8am it's 8am we have you at 8am you do you bastards oh my god well obviously like just to let the listeners know I ended up cancelling the podcast yesterday which I very rarely do because what

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257.307 - 280.931 Vogue Williams

you're the worst counselor and then joanne doesn't just cancel yesterday she goes it's very serious i can't do the pod and then obviously because i am an anxious person i was like oh jesus christ someone someone's kidnapped her she's gonna end up in a bin she's gonna end up in a bin dead being dragged out of that hotel what's happening No response till the next day.

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281.132 - 286.28 Joanne McNally

See, I didn't realize I'd said it was very serious. So what happened was, because I woke up, I was like, why is everyone ringing me?

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286.3 - 296.257 Vogue Williams

The serious didn't match the sunrise emoji. So it was like, I can't do the podcast tomorrow morning. Sunrise emoji. It's very serious. And I was like, oh no, this is bad.

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296.277 - 317.013 Joanne McNally

I was wondering why everyone was like, are you okay? I ate nine kilos of mushrooms. That's what happened. And I was tripping balls for about 12 hours. And then I was accidentally sending video notes to my American manager, Mac, and we're only newly working together. I'd say she's like, this nut job. She's used to it in America. She's used to it in America.

317.353 - 337.548 Joanne McNally

You know when you accidentally send a video note, but like you don't mean to and it's just your chin kind of moving around. Anyway, that's what happened. So I apologized to, I texted Joe then. I was like, look, I'm sorry about that and about the bit of drama there. And he's like, mate, I'm on my holidays. And I was like, ah, good for you, Joe. Couldn't give a fuck what you're doing.

337.568 - 341.513 Joanne McNally

I don't want my holidays. Yeah, he's like, I don't care. I've tapped out. But anyway.

341.553 - 344.377 Vogue Williams

And then you stopped seeing his profile picture because he blocked you.

344.397 - 363.403 Joanne McNally

He's blocked you for the next two weeks. For the next two weeks. He should. Rightly so. Joe, if anyone enjoys, if anyone deserves a holiday, it's Joe Attiwell, I can tell you. That man works himself to, well, sorry, is worked to the bone, I would say. Yeah. Works very hard. Any news in London? Any news in London? What's happening in London?

Chapter 3: How does Joanne's connection to the Wu-Tang Clan come into play?

384.285 - 392.715 Joanne McNally

If I have news, I'll tell you. And I was like, I'm sorry. No one has news. No one has news. That's the thing, though. You're making me feel really boring. Stop asking. I was like, I'm sorry.

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393.522 - 410.569 Vogue Williams

There's two things I've realized in later life. No one has news. And like, you know, when you're like even off grid or something for a while, you're like, Jesus, what's been going on? And everyone's like, nothing. And also, no one sees each other. No one sees each other. Yeah, I always used to think, oh my God, I'm a terrible friend. I never see anyone.

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410.735 - 418.43 Vogue Williams

my friendship groups really suffer and they're like, no, hang on, we don't see each other either. That's why we've organized this holiday once every three years so we actually get to see each other.

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418.851 - 428.49 Joanne McNally

Sometimes I meet people like I cross paths with women or men. I'm like, we could be really good friends in another world if we were, if we could see each other. Do you know?

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428.555 - 428.896 Vogue Williams

Yeah.

429.297 - 430.339 Joanne McNally

But that's just not going to happen.

431.241 - 436.091 Vogue Williams

There does come a point where you can't accept many more. Like, your jumper is a woolen jumper and you're in LA.

436.111 - 455.228 Joanne McNally

I know, and I'm in LA. Now, the reason I'm wearing a mohair jumper in the Hollywood Hills is because it's the only clean thing I have left. Today's the last day of the trip. I have my show tonight and I fly home after the show. And I'm like, And this is the only clean thing I bought the other day. I might have to take it off, though. I might have to go topless. It's very hot.

455.689 - 482.439 Joanne McNally

Did you buy it at a Nightmare on Elm Street shop? For our listeners who aren't watching, it is a striped Vogue says it's giving Freddy Krueger. Maybe I'm auditioning for a movie role. Huh? Oh, she's in the movie. She's in the movie business. Come here. I was like, I was mortified. So I'm on this. You know how you hear about people going to America and they do meetings or they take meetings.

Chapter 4: What hilarious mishap does Joanne recount involving mushrooms?

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What do we think about the Chapel Roan drama?

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870.155 - 882.31 Joanne McNally

Oh. Oh. Oh. Thank God you asked. Let me explain. Yeah, I know. Did you just say, let me explain? Oh, wow. I have never, ever heard you say that.

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882.442 - 884.289 Vogue Williams

Therapy. Therapy.

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884.31 - 884.691 Joanne McNally

Boundaries.

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885.555 - 886.458 Vogue Williams

Yeah. There will be signs.

887.061 - 891.338 Joanne McNally

Yeah, there will be signs. Put off all our friends and family to grow. Yeah.

892.432 - 922.438 Vogue Williams

that happened to me with somebody by the way what they were doing therapy and one time they turned around to me they were like I've cut most people off and like there's a chance that you'll be cut off too because I'm I'm going through intense therapy and I just thought Jesus Christ this is whoa yeah and did they yeah yeah yeah I got the snip everybody got the snip everybody wow I do think listen I know because I I know we're not we're not we're not therapists just in case there wasn't any mix up there um

922.418 - 936.45 Joanne McNally

Because I remember someone messaged and she was like, I'm so disappointed in your opinion on Brooklyn Beckham. You've obviously never been the victim of estrangement or victim of bad parents or something like that. And I was like, well, I haven't. I said, we're not therapists. But I did say, I was like, I do think, not to this woman now, I just left her.

936.671 - 942.176 Joanne McNally

But I said, I do think this trend of cutting everyone off is a little toxic. I do.

Chapter 5: What insights do they share about celebrity culture and paparazzi?

1360.726 - 1385.961 Joanne McNally

I need a Ritalin. Chaparone. Look, the truth of the matter is she does have a bit of a rep for being ratty. But like in the same breath, I can't imagine how annoying it must be. And like, it must be really annoying, even though you're making music, you're doing what you want to do. But if you have a short fuse, and you're being like,

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1385.941 - 1406.278 Joanne McNally

eyeballed at all times yeah I imagine it's annoying and she obviously just doesn't have the sense or the patience to keep her shit together or the personality for it and she obviously loses the rag every now and again but I did see the video where she came back and said that was nothing to do with me and she did seem quite like I believed her

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1406.562 - 1420.741 Vogue Williams

I kind of believed her as well. But the thing about it is she did this thing on the red carpet where the paps were shouting at her. And she's like, stop shouting at me. And people kind of applauded her. I mean, when the paps shout at me, I'm like, fucking thank God they know my name. I'm thrilled. You're doing your spins and all.

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1420.761 - 1421.002 Joanne McNally

Yeah.

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1422.464 - 1427.09 Vogue Williams

Get in the back. Get in the back. They're like, get off, Vogue. Leo DiCaprio is beside you.

1427.11 - 1434.201 Joanne McNally

Fuck off. They're like, folks, stop calling us to come out. We have other things to do. We can't come out every day on your phone calls.

1435.584 - 1453.292 Vogue Williams

People were kind of applauding her for that. And I just think... And then she was leaving a restaurant and she started recording the past being like these scumbag paparazzi. And it's just like, dude, like... And then people were like, oh, wait, that's actually a bit mean. Like, you don't need to do that. Like, they are essentially just doing their job. And I think if they're respectful, she...

1453.272 - 1483.212 Joanne McNally

she can just I think it's a very touch and go thing once you get painted with that brush it's hard not to be painted with that brush and the internet is coming out with loads of different reasons as to why the story would make sense and that actually she's a little bit of a mean girl she's I think but like she's just probably a bit ratty she's just a bit of a ratty artist and I think and she got fame it was very quick now I say that because suddenly she was just she just popped I'm sure it's never quick there's like 10 years of hard graft there but she did become

1483.529 - 1503.529 Joanne McNally

super duper famous to a level that as normal people I don't think we'll ever understand like what that is like unless of course I get this Pixar deal later which I'm really looking forward to yeah and then of course this tell them tell them about Gabby's Dollhouse that I was the fridge tell them in the UK tell them oh my god I forgot that you were the fridge

Chapter 6: How does the conversation shift to Justin Timberlake's arrest?

1806.832 - 1828.628 Joanne McNally

It's not the time. It's not the time. But did you see when Brittany was arrested recently for, again, a similar vibe, she put down celebrity as her job. Which I thought was kind of made me a bit sad because it's like, you're a singer, you're a dancer. You're, you're, you're really talented. You're not just a celebrity. I feel like she's losing her confidence.

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1829.509 - 1844.093 Vogue Williams

I think, I think it's more like, you know, like you put down entertainer. Entertainer. Yeah. Performer. Yeah. I put down performer. Yeah. I say entertainer. Yeah. God knows if I entertain anyone, but it's down. Would you not say TV presenter?

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1845.143 - 1856.436 Vogue Williams

I think it kind of does. It kind of, yeah, kind of. You're like author. Author. Slash. Slash. Used to be a model, but Irish model.

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1857.631 - 1876.973 Joanne McNally

the link to your IMDB they're like literally next but I find it really strange over here there's a there's a lot of drink driving in the States I've noticed I wouldn't even have and now I know I'm a bit of a wimp when it comes to breaking the rules I am but I wouldn't even have like I wouldn't even have half a drink I'd be too scared

1877.02 - 1894.112 Joanne McNally

Well, I think in Ireland and the UK, well, Ireland in particular, because I think in America... You can't even have a phone. You can't even have a phone. And Ireland have like random traffic stops where they will test you for drinking drugs. Whereas I don't think in the States they have them. I could be wrong. I think someone said that to me at some point.

1894.132 - 1898.32 Joanne McNally

They're like, they don't do random testing. Although they must do, because how did Justin get stunk?

1898.671 - 1905.325 Vogue Williams

Well, I think because he was probably driving backwards, reversing with no lights on.

1905.786 - 1914.024 Joanne McNally

They seem to be very laissez-faire over here on the old drink drive. I mean, I don't know a celebrity without a DUI at this stage. I might have to get one myself.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of the Justin Timberlake footage discussed?

1992.783 - 1994.927 Joanne McNally

That's it. How's he going to fit that in on the world tour?

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1995.949 - 1999.577 Vogue Williams

Well, like, you could get... Remember Naomi Campbell was doing that, picking up rubbish or something?

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1999.917 - 2013.306 Joanne McNally

Yeah, in a floor-length Versace gown. It was quite the statement. Well, listen, Justin. Hope you're well. Hope you're okay. Yeah, he's fine now. It was two years ago. He's fine. Justin's having a hard time. Did the wife leave him yet? I think she did.

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2014.107 - 2031.75 Vogue Williams

No, I don't think she did. I think she left him. Jesus, we have a terrible way of misinformation. Oh, there's my camera. Oh, there you go. There you go. No, she didn't leave him. Jessica Biel did not leave him. Google it there. Well, she should. Yeah, well, she should reconsider. She should leave him. Jessica, have you seen the video? The video?

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2031.73 - 2046.716 Vogue Williams

Joanne, I want to ask you a few things, particularly Wu-Tang Clan, B.O. Shame. Could you tell me about that? Because I love the Wu-Tang Clan. I'm a big fan. Oh, is that video out there? No, you put it in the group. You put random sentences in the group.

2048.018 - 2070.719 Joanne McNally

I did. I went, so I'm doing podcasts while I'm out here and I did Ilana Glazer. Do you know Alana Glazer? Gypsy Rose Blanchard is gay. Have you seen this? Speaking about paparazzi shots, when I, she's going out with a woman, and when I say, you know the way, like sometimes you don't know, you can't tell who's called who and where and what on who. Do you know?

2070.739 - 2078.832 Joanne McNally

We're talking about calling paparazzi shots, actually. They are the worst. They are the most obviously staged paparazzi shots

2078.812 - 2096.078 Joanne McNally

videos I've ever seen they are it's so I'm like ah Gypsy Rose these are well of course Gypsy Rose come on these are a deep level of Scarlet like a really deep level of Scarlet if she was in a film she would be like even as an extra in the background she would be incredibly bad at her job it's so obvious

2096.058 - 2105.955 Vogue Williams

Yeah, but I think they're always obvious. It's like people like, you know, when they're getting out of the pool and like they're stretching forward or like they're just on their permanent tippy toes like a Barbie doll.

Chapter 8: What reflections do they have on the pressures of fame and public perception?

2415.063 - 2419.994 Vogue Williams

They just played London. I was in Dublin. I was at the Paddy's Day Parade. I'm actually off to meet Woo now.

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2420.956 - 2432.582 Joanne McNally

Oh, Woo! What a cool guy. And then Clang's coming in later. So I'm with Alana Glazer. I'm wearing a Wu-Tang Clang top. Wu-Tang Clang top. Wu-Tang Clang. And I bought a second one.

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2434.503 - 2459.083 Joanne McNally

I bought it second hand so me and Alana were doing all the TikToks and all that stuff and I realised oh my god so we're like hugging and we're doing kind of like all this like we're really close and I noticed I was like whoa I was like Jesus Alana I said, either me or Alana Glazer has some serious hygiene issues there. Poor Alana. I had to say, do you know when you're like, I have to say it?

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2459.163 - 2478.111 Joanne McNally

And I was like, Alana, there's a very strong odor. I said, I'm not, no shade if it's you, but I'm terrified it's me. So only the two of us spent about 15 minutes smelling each other's armpits to see who it was. And it was you. Well, it was obviously Wu or whoever wore the top before me, because I'm assuming it came from the lads. I assume they thrifted it themselves. Oh my God.

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2478.091 - 2496.408 Joanne McNally

I absolutely reeked. It was very embarrassing. And then I was like, it's a second hand. She's like, no, no, it's fine. I don't wear deodorant either. I was like, no, no, no, Alana, I do wear deodorant. This is a once off, okay? This is a once off because I'm such a big Wu-Tang Klang fan that when I saw the top, I had to get it. I was excited. I didn't have time to check the armpits.

2496.749 - 2504.436 Joanne McNally

I assumed because it was a high-end thrift shop that that would have been looked after before. Like, what are you going to sell me dirty knickers as well? Come on. I

2504.416 - 2519.64 Vogue Williams

is that where you go is that where you go knicker shopping up your game charity shop up your game the only thing I would say is you know like a football top sometimes when someone sweats in material like that it sticks so actually as much of a fan as I am you can keep the top

2519.84 - 2534.904 Joanne McNally

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Some material just doesn't, it's very hard. Like my Adidas tracksuit that I wear for the Pinafoss show, when I say, I have a couple of them, but when this tour ends, they will be burnt. They will be put on a bonfire.

2535.224 - 2536.566 Vogue Williams

I have a brand new one that you can have.

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