Who Is The Fraudster Who Paid For Farage’s Security?
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What claims did the Sunday Times make about Nigel Farage and George Cottrell?
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On Saturday nights, it's a funny thing, isn't it, when you're trying to think, oh, well, I better go to sleep because I've got to get up really early to do the jobs that we're very, very lucky to do. But you're kind of anxiously also waiting for the Sunday newspapers to...
Yes, so at about 10, 10.30 last night, we were all messaging each other, you, me, my team on Radio 4, your team on BBC One and Newscast about the emerging story from the Insight team at the Sunday Times.
And that is the story that we will discuss with the man who broke that story for the Sunday Times, Gabriel Pogrand, and we'll try and work out where on earth it might go next on today's Newscast.
Thinking about it like a panto helped. Do we play music now or what do we do?
Hello, it's Laura in the studio.
And hello, it's Paddy in the studio.
So the short version of the story that we're going to discuss in quite some detail. The Sunday Times carries a set of claims that George Cottrell, a young man who's long been a political friend and ally and close friend of Nigel Farage, paid for Nigel Farage's security, some of Nigel Farage's staff and some of Nigel Farage's accommodation at an expensive London townhouse. There are suggestions in the Sunday Times that this means that Nigel Farage broke the rules of Parliament because he didn't declare the benefits that he was getting from George Cottrell. Reform's defence is that Nigel Farage was not an MP at the time and therefore, to cut it short, it's nobody else's business. But this has the potential to be a very serious story because you're talking about a lot of money.
You're talking about also somebody controversial because George Cottrell also is a convicted fraudster who served time in an American jail. And it's likely to be a big, important story for some time because if you believe the current polls, Nigel Farage is the person who's on course to be the next prime minister were there to be a general election any time soon. And that therefore means that not just journalists, his political rivals look very closely at his financial dealings.
Yes, and the interesting part to make plain before we meet Gabriel Pogrand is that this relates to in-kind benefits, which is the provision of staff, provision of some accommodation, which reform is not disputing. And we can later remind newscasters that you spoke to a leading member of reform, so we'll hear in... voice and pictures from reform. And also it's about what a reasonable person interprets, which takes us into the very heart of what the parliamentary authorities have to consider when they work out where wrongdoing is. So parliamentary rules say this about what you don't have to declare under the category, benefits which could not reasonably be thought by others to be related to membership of the House or to the members' parliamentary or political activities.
For example... So in other words, if you're a politician and you think, well, it's probably fine that my Aunt Margaret paid for me to go on holiday to Italy...
But then actually you get a job where you're the minister in charge of relations with Italy. You might go, hmm, I think it was fine. But just in case there's any doubt, I'm going to say that I had a freebie that took me on a trip to Italy. Because there might be someone out there who thinks, ah, that will make you think better of Italy than you hadn't done if you hadn't taken that lovely free holiday. So that's sort of the idea.
Who is George Cottrell and what is his background?
One of the curiosities about this, I think, is that Nigel Farage did declare a couple of things from George Cottrell in that same period, but didn't then declare these other potentially much bigger expenses over a longer period of time. So it's all... Well, it's funny, this story, in a way, because in a sense, there are lots of specifics. There are lots of technicalities that we need to be careful about trying to explain properly. And we're going to talk to the man who broke the story in a second about some of those actual specifics.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What claims did the Sunday Times make about Nigel Farage and George Cottrell?
0:00–4:47
2
Who is George Cottrell and what is his background?
4:47–7:05
3
What in-kind benefits did Nigel Farage reportedly receive?
7:05–9:19
4
What are the parliamentary rules regarding declaring benefits?
9:19–12:22
5
How does Reform UK defend Nigel Farage's actions?
12:22–14:42
6
What are the implications of this story for Nigel Farage's political future?
14:42–16:55
7
Did George Cottrell pay for Nigel Farage's security and staff?
16:55–19:03
8
How does cryptocurrency connect to this story?
19:03–35:04