Tim Geithner on How to Fight the Next Financial Crisis

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What is the overall focus of the episode and why is the 2008 crisis still relevant today?

Molly Graham 0:00
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Bloomberg Audio Studios Podcasts Radio News.
Tracy Alloway 0:51
Hello and welcome to another episode of the All Thoughts Podcast. I'm Tracy Alloway.
Joe Weisenthal 0:56
And I'm Joe Weisenthal.
Tracy Alloway 0:57
Joe, you know what sucks about getting old?
Joe Weisenthal 1:01
You know what? I I twisted my I hurt my neck the other day. And and I was like, uh I said, you know, I was I was washing dishes and I hurt my neck and I said, Getting old is such a crime. I hate it. But what what were you getting where were you going with it?
Tracy Alloway 1:12
Well, I was gonna say you start to lose shared experiences with a lot of people. And I realized this, whenever I make a Simpsons joke, there are a lot of people now who do not get that frame of reference. And I was thinking about this in relation to the financial system and specifically in relation to the two thousand eight financial crisis.
Joe Weisenthal 1:33
No, I've had this thought in the last year, which is that we're at the point where the two thousand eight financial crisis is like capital H history. Right. It used to feel like when both of us started our careers, that the crisis in the aftermath was current events, including several years in the aftermath. Now it's like when I was a kid and I like heard about Woodstock or the moon landing, stuff that really was not that long before I was born. Or whatever, but I had, you know, that like various things when I was a kid could all have been the same year. The moon landing, Pearl Harbor, et cetera. That was all just like capital H history. And we're getting to the point now where the great financial crisis to a lot of people is just not something that either feels relevant or anything except out of history book.
Tracy Alloway 2:16
That's right. And by the way, just to scare you a little bit more, I asked Perplexity how many Americans were born after two thousand eight and it said seventy million, so that's roughly twenty percent of the population. And if
Joe Weisenthal 2:28
you figure the people who are like under ten yeah before that means nothing to them either. Anyway.
Tracy Alloway 2:33
All right. So obviously here at Oddlots, we take our jobs as uh lovers of financial crisis hindsight and I guess purveyors of financial records extremely serious. And so we should talk about 2008. We should talk about financial crises. They obviously still exist. We haven't had anything on the scale of Lehman Brothers, but we've certainly had incidents like the collapse of S. SVB. There's also that market sell-off in August, which kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. Bunch of people talking about the risks of the carry trade, carry trade. Yen carry trade. Private credit. We have all these big worries stemming from the amount of debt the US has to refinance to really idiosyncratic things like the basis trade in US Treasury.
Tracy Alloway 3:18
So we should talk about it.
Joe Weisenthal 3:19
Let's do it.
Tracy Alloway 3:20
Okay, so we really do have the perfect guest. We are speaking with Tim Geitner, the former Treasury Secretary, former head of the New York Fed, now at Warburg Pincus, and also chair of the program on financial stability over at Yale, which is why he's here today. The school is launching something called the New Badget Project, which is an online tool or compendium for designing financial crisis. interventions. So Tim, welcome to the show.
Tim Geithner 3:48
Nice to be with you both.
Tracy Alloway 3:49
So first of all, I gotta ask, you know, two hundred years ago Walter Badgett said that banks should lend freely against good collateral and then there would be no problems. So, you know, are we done here? Two hundred years ago we should have had this figured out.
Tim Geithner 4:04
Yeah, I mean financial crises have this classic tragic thing. They're crises of beliefs in a sense and a crises of memory.

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