What War in Iran Means for China's Teapot Oil Refineries

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What is the impact of the Iran war on global oil prices and China’s imports?

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Joe Weisenthal 0:48
Hello and welcome to another episode of the Oddlocks podcast. I'm Joe Weisenthal.
Tracy Alloway 0:53
And I'm Tracy Alloway.
Joe Weisenthal 0:54
So Tracy, we are recording this one PM March fourth, twenty twenty six. And so
Tracy Alloway 0:59
one of those days where you have to nail the hour and the minute 'cause who knows what's gonna happen.
Joe Weisenthal 1:03
Absolutely. Of course, we are in the midst of a war with Iran that started this past weekend. And it's been an extraordinary week in markets, massive surge in the price of oil, all kinds of concerns about the sheer logistics of getting oil other as well as other commodities out of that region, who's going to be affected. The ramifications are just global for obvious reasons.
Tracy Alloway 1:27
Yeah, there's clearly a lot to talk about. But there are some interesting angles in particular that you and I have been discussing. And we're gonna try to hit all of those individually in a lot of different episodes that are coming up. But for this particular episode, we want to talk about something that, you know, obviously the US, Europe have kind of been, I would say, the main subject of a lot of the hand-wringing at or the focus at the moment. So Europe, we know, has had to grapple with higher energy costs for a while. And clearly, you know, all this chaos in the Middle East is not going to be good for that. But One thing that hasn't gotten as much attention is what this actually means for China, which is a huge, huge purchaser of oil from the Middle East.
Joe Weisenthal 2:12
Right. This is really important. So obviously in the US we're swimming with oil. We're an oil exporter. This could be very good also for our gas exports to Europe. I mean, already we've seen this big increase in gas exports from the US to Europe, particularly just in the wake of the ongoing war in Ukraine. So this could create further opportunities. But for all the countries that are, you know, major importers and China being one, it's obviously a Very different dimension for them.
Tracy Alloway 2:39
Absolutely. Also, can I just say that this particular topic is finally, finally an opportunity to touch on teapot refiners in China, which I always wanted to do an episode on.
Joe Weisenthal 2:49
Great.
Tracy Alloway 2:49
And for some reason we never got to it, but but now's our chance.
Joe Weisenthal 2:53
I will learn what a tea I I've known at times what a teapot refiner is.
Tracy Alloway 2:56
Wait, what's your impression? If if someone says teapot refinery, what do you think? Refinery, what do you think?
Joe Weisenthal 2:59
Uh don't put me on the spot. I just imagine a little refinery. Yeah, I mean that's it, basically. All right. Well, that was a good guess. The teapot. Yeah, I guess it's kinda I
Tracy Alloway 3:07
just think it has a cute name and so I like thinking about it.
Joe Weisenthal 3:10
Anyway, I'm very excited to say we really do have the perfect guest today to sort of talk about the energy dimension from some angles that have that deserve and need more exploration in this precise moment. We're going to be speaking with Erica Downs. She's a senior research scholar at Columbia University Center on Global Energy Policy and an expert truly in this field. Erica, thank you so much for coming on OutLot.
Erica Downs 3:32
Thank you so much for having me.
Joe Weisenthal 3:34
Just for the sake of our audience, why don't you give us the sort of brief overview of your work? Tell us a little bit about what you do in your general field of study.
Erica Downs 3:42
So my research focuses primarily on the geopolitics of energy, and so I've been kept busy recently looking at China's energy relationships with Russia, with Venezuela, and of course this week with Iran.
Tracy Alloway 3:58
So why don't you sum up, I guess, China's relationship with energy at the moment then?

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