Dr. Maya Shankar: Does Change Make You Feel Lost Or Uncertain? (Use THIS Framework To Find Direction Again and Use Change to Upgrade Your Life!)
episodePreviously titled “Maya Shankar: Does Change Make You Feel Lost Or Uncertain? (Use THIS Framework To Find Direction Again and Use Change to Upgrade Your Life!)” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 2, 2026
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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How has unexpected change shaped Maya Shankar's life?
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Why does change feel so scary to us?
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What mistakes do we make when tying our identity to our roles?
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What awaits us on the other side of change?
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How can self-affirmation help us stay grounded during change?
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What is the importance of finding gratitude in who you become?
One of the biggest reasons why change is so scary is that it can threaten our self-identity. One way to have a more secure self-identity is to anchor yourself not simply to what you do, but to why you do that thing.
So first of all, I want to say I'm really grateful to be here with my very, very dear friend, Dr. Maya Shankar. We've been friends for like maybe four or five years now. And honestly... beyond her incredible resume, incredible list of achievements, continued excellence in everything she does. She's just truly one of the sweetest, kindest, most wonderful humans. And so the fact that you've all come out here tonight to support her and hopefully get her book or you've already got it. How many of you have already got the book?
How can we rebuild ourselves after a dream ends?
Okay. All of you who didn't put your hand up, I want you to get a book by the end of this. Uh, Truly, I'm just so grateful to be here. She is the kindest, most generous, sweet, loving, wonderful human being. And I'm so happy to be here supporting you. So congratulations, Mayim.
Thank you so much, Jay. It is such an utter delight to be in conversation with you about this topic. And I'm so grateful for your friendship. So thank you.
Thank you. Well, this book that you wrote, The Other Side of Change, I find it such a fascinating topic and read because I feel like there's two types of change. One is the change that you choose and the other is the change that chooses you. How many of you like it when you decide to change? How many of you like it when change chooses you? Yeah, exactly.
That's like the worst.
It's like the worst feeling ever. It's like, what? Like, why did this happen right now? And that's like a daily occurrence for anyone on planet Earth. Why did this happen now? Why did this happen to me? What's going on? When will this change? When will this get better? Talk to me about how... change has drastically altered your life when you least expected it?
Yeah, I mean, I should start by saying that the reason I study change is because I'm super scared of it and I'm really bad at it. And I hate the unexpected changes by and large that have come my way in life. I am someone who... loves having a firm grip of the steering wheel, right? I like being in control. I like feeling like I'm going to dictate how my life turns out. It feels very comforting to believe that the world is fair and that if you do good, good things will happen.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:05
2
How has unexpected change shaped Maya Shankar's life?
0:05–0:07
3
Why does change feel so scary to us?
0:07–0:23
4
What mistakes do we make when tying our identity to our roles?
0:23–0:47
5
What awaits us on the other side of change?
0:47–1:19
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How can self-affirmation help us stay grounded during change?
1:19–1:49
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What is the importance of finding gratitude in who you become?
1:49–2:38
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How can we rebuild ourselves after a dream ends?
2:38–56:16
Speakers
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