Kara Swisher
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Who is Kara Swisher and what is her impact on tech journalism?
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, hi. Monica here. For today's episode, I spoke with my badass friend, Kara Swisher. You probably know her as a tech journalist, an author, and host of both Pivot with Scott Galloway and On with Kara Swisher. So I've always known Kara to be smart as fuck, direct and kind, but I didn't expect her to reveal kind of such a soft side that she did in our conversation. And truthfully, it made me love her even more. So anyway, I hope you find something to connect with in our chat. And thanks for joining us on Reclaiming. So let's get into it. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Audible. Visit audible.com slash reclaiming to find your next listen. Thank you to our sponsor, Reformation. Visit reformation.com to see why they're my go-to for stylish and sustainable fashion. Kara Swisher, welcome to Reclaim. Thank you. Thank you.
For anyone who doesn't know you, can you give them context?
Who doesn't know me?
I'm kidding.
No, I've covered tech for the past 30 years. I was one of the earliest people who covered the internet. I know about the early part, but I've covered the internet, all the big people from Musk to Zuckerberg to Jobs to Gates, stuff like that.
I want to start out talking about just sort of setting the stage for how we became friends. So I think we first connected on Twitter and then through our mutual friend, Brooke Hammerling, a bit more. Then you kindly were interviewed for a documentary on public shaming cancel culture. Yes, for that great documentary you did. Thank you, that I exec produced. And we still didn't meet in person because of COVID then. And then the first time we actually met in person was when you interviewed me for Sway. My favorite interview.
Oh. I have to say, when people ask me, people are like, what's your favorite? And they expect me to say Steve Jobs, which I also liked, or Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk. And I always say that interview was really one of my best interviews.
Oh, thanks, Kara. That was, it was special. It was. It was special. I mean, it's funny because I was thinking about how we did it in that music studio.
Yeah, we did it in Los Angeles when I was there for my conference. And you were very nice because the studio was really janky.
It was so janky.
That's exactly the word that I was using. The microphone smelled like, I think like a Snoop Dogg.
I know. Because we did it in the morning, and I'm sure they were recording all night. But I realized, too, I was thinking about that it actually might have been a good thing because— Because you were high. Yeah, and it calmed me down, and I was so nervous. I was really nervous. I was terrified to be interviewed by you. Yeah, even though I knew you were kind, but because you're so exacting and intuitive— And I felt like if anybody was going to smell my imposter syndrome, it was going to be you. You're not an imposter is the thing. I know, but— If you were, it would be harder. I know, but it's that— I think I'm an authentic person, but trying to find myself out there as an adult in different ways has been hard.
Sure, but look at your record.
I mean, it's very easy. Why would I be hard on someone who has handled themselves with such grace? Yeah, so, well, thank you. Well, it's true. You made one mistake, big mistake, but you've acted better than pretty much everybody in this entire time. Never dropped a dime on people, never took advantage of it, did nothing. helpful things after, like you moved to doing the bullying thing. You moved to doing things that were honorable and helpful rather than, you know, you could have gone a lot of different directions. I always think of directions people could have gone in when I do interviews, like choices they could have made and they didn't, which is, you know.
Right. And you were, like, the directions you were initially thinking about, was it foreign service? Yeah. Yeah. But then you went into journalism. Yes.
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