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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
I want to play this because this was you and Ray last night, but there's a deeper issue at play here. Like, this is Gary. If you haven't heard this, this is Gary.
Is this your number one topic?
No, this is my number one topic that I want to try and clear up, okay, at some stage this morning and include everybody out there that's listening this morning. This is Gary and Ray talking about the Mackay decision on Sunday night, allowing him his 30 seconds when he was outside the 50-meter arc.
With due respect, if I was Harry, I'd say, you get out of my road and I can kick 60 metres and let me take my 30 seconds.
And I'd go, do-do-do-do, move it on, play on, and then we can talk about it after, Gary. But that's wrong, Ray. That's just blatantly wrong. So, again, if you go back and you say it's blatantly wrong, the game is managed, the laws of the game, hang on, You're about to. The laws of the game are allowed to be managed by the umpire. Right.
So you're allowed to get 30 seconds if you are taking a shot for a goal. Yeah. But you don't let the person down on the back flank take 30 seconds, do you?
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Chapter 2: What triggered the debate about the 30-second set shot rule?
Well, he's not shooting for goal. And I don't think Harry was there either. And so the umpire, they're responsible for umpiring the game, Gary. Whether you think they're doing a good job or not, that's their job.
That's rot. That is total rot.
The gentleman in the background enjoyed the back and forth, a little bit of laughter.
Can I just say this?
Can I just say this? I just want to say this. Can I say this before you say that first, okay? Let me say this first, and that is that do you believe, he said there, the interesting thing for me and the point I wanted to take up here this morning is the laws of the game are managed by the umpires. Do you accept that they are responsible for the way the game is managed? Yep.
And therefore, they have to then come up with the interpretation of what- They know what the rules of the game are, but within that, there are some levers that they can pull or interpretations that they can arrive at. Is there? to allow certain things to happen or not happen out there.
Well, why do we ā okay, I understand. Ray and I get on very well, by the way. I know you do. I know you do. I know you know that, but people see the theatre and misinterpret it. No, but you were real last night.
You actually ā that is what you believe, though, too, do you not?
No, because my point ā yes, because my point is this. Ray says it's up to me to interpret whether he's having a shot or not. Well, don't put the 30-second clock up then and count down. Just put ā I'll get a feeling of when I can make you kick the footy. There's a damn 30 seconds comes up on the scoreboard, Tim. So the players take their deep breaths, go back. You see them.
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Chapter 3: How do players perceive the 30-second rule during gameplay?
They are managing the rules of the game and interpreting the rules the way that they've been written.
But that's not an interpretation. It's 30 seconds. It is. You've got 30 seconds to use to kick for goal. Not an arbitrary, you've got a bit of time until I work out whether I reckon you should kick for goal. So how are the players supposed to know? The players look at the clock. I'm not being serious about this, right? Okay.
If I'm lining up for goal and I've just laid three tackles and got knocked over and then I get a free kick for head high. And I stand up and I get back to my mark and it's 12 seconds down and I'm puffed. I'm out of breath and I've got to take my time. It's 48 meters out. I am absolutely entitled to look at that clock and go, no, I've got another 18 seconds here.
So let me compose myself, take a few deep breaths. And that's not for an umpire to interpret when he thinks it should go. The rule says I've got 30 seconds. I'm going to use my 30 seconds.
Okay, well, let's make it simple for everybody, and you tell me if you support this. Rather than there even be 30 seconds for somebody to take a shot at goal, the rule, no matter where you are on the ground, it's not open to interpretation whether you can kick 50, 60, 65, 70, whatever. The interpretation is you have 10 seconds to kick. It doesn't matter- Yeah, okay, 10.
I'm just saying arbitrary 10 seconds to kick. Okay, let's say it's 15. But the same thing applies wherever you are on the ground, not just when you're lining up for goal. Because this whole idea of us giving you a certain amount of time because you're lining up for goal is not something that was always part of the game. It was not something that was always part of the game.
So Paulie from Geelong, ring me, Paulie. You reckon I don't understand it? I think I understand it absolutely 100% clear. What is it that I don't understand, Paul? If I determine that I'm having a shot at goal... The rule says I've got 30 seconds to have that shot. That is why players look at the clock constantly.
Correct. Correct. And it's a countdown up on the scoreboard so they know.
But my point to you now is- But Ray's saying he can go, and using his own term, he's going, I can go, hurry up.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the umpire's interpretation of the rules?
Let's get rid of that. That's okay. That's fine. That's a whole different ballgame.
Yeah, but that makes it simpler, though, doesn't it? Because now we're not having that argument. If we get rid of it, okay, we don't have to then decide at wherever you are on the ground whether or not you can kick 60 metres or not.
You can kick 55 metres. Yeah. Doesn't it make it simpler? Well, this is another message come through. The point is the umpire interprets whether the player's having a shot at goal. That's a different situation. I am saying when you've got your 30 seconds, you're entitled to your 30 seconds. Now, the next argument is, oh, I don't think Harry Mackay can kick that.
And my argument, and that is what I've argued all along, it puts the umpires in a terrible position because they might look at, remember that guy we spoke about, Powell, for instance? Yeah. The umpire might know that he's a prodigious kicker of the footy, but everyone on the Gold Coast team does. So they think, yeah, he's going to have a shot from 55 and he'll kick it. The umpire might know that.
So he says, no, you're not getting the 30 seconds. What's old mate Powell supposed to do? Pull the phone out of his sock and say, yeah, have a look at these eight shots so far this year. So I've got sympathy for the umpires on that. All I'm saying is don't doot, doot, doot me when it gets to the 22 second mark when I know I've got 30.
Have we got his do-do-do?
Have we come out as a do-do-do?
I'm not getting any support for everybody having the same amount of time to kick the ball, no matter where they are on the field.
No, so there's a couple of things at play here. So the one that I got a little bit fired up about last night was the do-do-do-do.
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Chapter 5: How do players manage their time when preparing for a kick?
No worries. Hey, boys. Look, I know it's not going to fix up the... whether they should take the kick or not.
But one of the ways I think you can mitigate the wasting of time when a player knows he's not having a shot for goal, and I brought this up with Dwayne last year and he was going to take it further, is if a player opts to take the shot for goal, they get their 30 seconds, as you were just saying, Gary, I completely agree with you.
But the stand rule does not apply, which means that you can put pressure on that 45 kick and if a player wants to try and pass it off, well, then they have a risk of turning it over. I think that once you have a shot for goal, there's no stand rule. Players can move around on the mark and put pressure on the kicker.
I agree with that. I agree. I think that was a consideration that we should have already made, and that was that once you line up for goal inside that 50-meter arc, then you can move on the mark and try and put the player off. And that would be a simple change.
He agrees with Ray. He says, Gary, you're wrong. It's open to the umpire's interpretation. Who cares about what the scoreboard says? Well, my point on this, Ray, is, okay, if it's open to interpretation, change the rule. then you've got 30 seconds to kick a goal or until such time as the umpire thinks you're wasting time and he can go do-do-do.
Yeah, right.
There's no interpretation on 30 seconds, Tim.
No, okay. Let's leave that there then.
No, we can't because there's about 15 calls that we'll talk about.
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Chapter 6: What changes could simplify the 30-second rule in football?
Appreciate it. We'll take a break. Let's take a break. Thank you. Nice, good arguments from both sides. You were solid too. Respectfully downed is the most important thing for all of us, me included.
Where's Ray?
Is Ray still there somewhere? We'll be back after this with some other stuff.