Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Participating in homosexual acts is inherently not loving because it's damaging. It violates natural law.
They're not inherently damaging. It doesn't violate natural law. Yes, it does. There are over 1,000 species that are proven to have queer relationships.
From Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded, where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreeers. Today's guest is an LGBTQ plus activist, Xander Morix. He is the executive director of C Alliance, and today he will be debating 25 conservatives. Xander will debate the conservatives one-on-one until they are voted out by their peers and replaced by someone new. Let's get into it.
My first claim is Donald Trump and Elon Musk are grooming more young Americans than the LGBTQ plus community. Can we agree that grooming is bad and should be punished? Um, yeah. Okay, lit.
What I would say is that Donald Trump and Elon Musk use their positions of influence over young Americans to change the way hundreds of thousands of young Americans think and behave throughout elementary, middle, and high schools, which has been documented, studied, and proven to increase bullying and harm, and it infringes on parental consent.
I disagree. Why? I think that what they are trying to do is not grooming, but trying to
Let's define grooming. We should start by doing that. I would say that grooming is someone with a position of influence over another person attempting to change their thought patterns or behavior to exploit them. Would you agree?
What I would say is that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are proven to have been doing that with elementary, middle, and high school children by sending targeted ads to youth demographics, accessing their rhetoric on social media, and what studies have shown, studies of tens of thousands of teachers, reported incidents, school reports, hundreds of disciplinary reports,
sent to studies have proven that there's increase in bullying in places where Donald Trump... I think they have a plan.
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Chapter 2: How do Donald Trump and Elon Musk influence young Americans?
They're trying to influence the children.
The LGBTQ plus community is not trying to influence children. They're trying to save children's lives.
I disagree.
You can't disagree without facts.
Otherwise, we're not operating in reality. That's not saving lives. That's not saving lives. Okay. That's not saving lives.
I want to break that down because it's a scary concept. If people were actually chemically castrating young Americans, I would also be freaking out. I would also have problems. But when we work with the medical professionals, when we talk to the psychologists, when we work with the families, we see that that is not happening. We see that that's not happening.
There are 0.01% of young Americans that are receiving non-reversible gender-affirming care, and in 90% of those cases, that was life-saving. saving care. That is life-saving care. Tragedies happen.
Medical mistakes happen. Let's talk about society as a whole. Do more people regret their gender-affirming care?
Or do they regret knee surgery, hip replacement, LASIK eye surgery? Let's pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Okay, so your claim is... Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing more grooming, right? Yes. Than LGBT activists or groups.
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Chapter 3: What is the definition of grooming in this context?
Donald Trump and Elon Musk worked to reduce Twitter protections, and we saw the firing of staff that worked to specifically set children's guidelines.
We now see about one quarter of young people that are online are on Twitter, and they're accessing media, because also the algorithm has been changed to make sure that Elon Musk content and far-right content are boosted by about 1,000%, and that's been measured by a variety of studies.
And so our young Americans, while they're on their phones without parental supervision, are absorbing rhetoric that psychologists have measured to be damaging not only to their minds, but to their peers' minds. So we've specifically seen hundreds of cases in over 20 states that bullying has increased as a result of Donald Trump and Elon Musk's rhetoric.
There was an incident and it was heartbreaking where one student was bullied so severely that they attempted suicide because they kept being told, Donald Trump says you need to leave. Donald Trump says you are illegal. And it is a heartbreaking, devastating truth because these young minds are not voters. This has nothing to do with the political campaign.
It has everything to do with changing the political culture and working to specifically target young people. That's why they're banning books. That's why they're trying to restrict information that our children have access to and trying to give them a broken worldview so that when they continue to idolize Donald Trump and Elon Musk, they won't know the line of when they've gone too far.
And that's a huge problem. We should not have the most powerful person in the world who's setting an example for our young people, who most of our young people say they recognize as the most powerful person in the world, sharing hate speech that we see manifest in elementary school classrooms.
90% of teachers surveyed after Donald Trump's first election stated that school climate worsened specifically due to Trump rhetoric and bullying that was directly linked to Donald Trump's name and catchphrases. It's not a coincidence, it's not a parallel, and it's not something that's ever happened before. Okay. I understand what you're saying.
For the sake of the argument, I would say that I agree to an extent, right? Love that. Obviously, it depends on what we're, what's grooming, right? Well, let's define grooming. Yeah. What would you define grooming as? So typically in, I mean, most political circles, right, they would say grooming is any kind of act that kind of leads to like a sexual act. That's sexual grooming. Yeah.
Grooming also works with terrorist organizations and cults. Yes, yes, yes. So I would say that grooming has a broad definition until you specify. But I would say that grooming is not intrinsic or exclusive to the political right, right? Grooming is... No, it's not. It's something that happens everywhere. It happens everywhere. Democrats do it. It's horrible. Republicans do it, right?
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Chapter 4: How does LGBTQ+ acceptance impact mental health?
If I ordered a birthday clown, if I ordered a birthday clown and Pennywise showed up to my birthday party and started eating my children alive, I would be like, wait, that's the wrong clown.
That's the wrong clown.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Some drag queens perform at nightclubs. Some drag queens read at bookstores. Some drag queens go do events. Some drag queens go do festivals. There are no reported incidents. Hold on, this is important.
Queer people, trans people, and drag queens, none of them, none of them have any correlation to being more likely to commit a sex crime, to be a groomer, or to do anything pedophilic.
It's data.
It's proven. The American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, the World Health Organization have proven that there There is no more danger.
Listen, this is what's going on.
Let me tell you what's going on.
The LGBTQ community has gone too far. How? Okay, so I'm an ex-Democrat.
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Chapter 5: What parental concerns are raised about children's exposure to LGBTQ+ themes?
I'm a Christian and I'm faith-based and I believe that my son should have his testicles intact until forever, not until he's 18. I want him to have his testicles forever. And he actually just asked me about that last night. He said, mom, I think my testicles are dropping a little. I said, no, sweetheart, you're nine, enjoy. You've got a long ways to go. Why?
As parents, we want to protect our children as long as they can.
Oh, 100%.
Right? Okay, you agree. We are in agreement with that. Yes, I love that.
All right, so let's keep going.
Go team.
I would never, in my right mind, let my son, first of all, attend a school, a public school. Second of all, attend a school.
That's a privileged choice, and that's awesome that you're able to make it.
Correct. And I've worked very hard for that. Where there are clowns, as you called them, drag queens there. No, no, no.
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Chapter 6: How do drag queen story hours impact children's mental health?
As the same as a drag queen. And I know for a fact what comes, if you just Google the word drag queen and children or kindergarten, You see what goes on. Those shows, the girls are in, or the men, rather, are in lingerie, in scantily clad, very, very sexually explicit behavior, crazy hair and makeup. That would be awful.
Right, and it happens, as well as the infiltration of the books in our children's school. These trans books are being put into our kids' school. I know for a fact, that's why I pulled him. I saw these books in there. You said yourself if you had a child, you would not want him exposed to things that you didn't approve of or you'd want him to be, quote, educated as to what is right.
Why do we have to educate children to mental health challenges when men decide to castrate themselves and take off their genitals and reattach new genitals and then they demand equal rights? That's not okay. And I'm not letting my child get exposed to that. That is anti-Christian and that is anti-American.
Okay, so I don't find that to be a claim that addressed my claim at all. I would say that the fundamental value of Americanism is freedom, and the fundamental value of Christianity is love, and anti-LGBTQ policies are contradictory to both of those beliefs. But back to your point, because you took us there. The majority of drag queen book hours have never had a reported incident.
In fact, there's no pattern of reported incident, and there are cherry-picked incidents where bad people did bad things, not because they're drag queens, but because they're bad people. And those incidents occur in less than a percent of places. So why are we even allowing this?
So what I would say is that drag queens have no statistical correlation with pedophilic behavior, with sexual violence, or... That's not true. Or holed up in the club, or sexually exposing themselves to children.
I don't go to clubs. I think clubs are fine. Okay, we're getting so far away. No, American and faith-based values. Let's go back to that. American faith-based values. Why the trans movement is not that, or is antithesis of that.
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Chapter 7: What is the role of medical professionals in transgender care?
Trans people are people. What I am telling you is that if your child is exposed to trans and queer individuals, they are no more likely to decide to become trans or queer.
Not true.
Nope, it is true. It is statistically proven. It is so true. It is data driven.
It is medically proven. It is psychologically proven. I'll let you believe your lie. Go ahead.
No, no, no. It's proven by hundreds of thousands of people. And I have no idea why you believe when you're not educated on the subject. Well, no, no, not in like a, you don't know what you're talking about way, but in a, you need a medical professional. You need a psychological professional to address this care. No, to address this care.
What I'm saying is that your child is not endangered by witnessing queer and trans existences.
That is not true. It is true. That is not true. It is true. Let me give you an example. I'll give you one.
Okay, let's pause.
You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your chair. Thank you. Thank you. Hope you don't hate me.
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Chapter 8: How does the discussion reflect on the nature of love and Christianity?
First off, I would like to say that your question I think is worded very, uh, How do I put it?
It's not a question, but I'm saying anti-LGBTQ plus policies are anti-Christian and anti-American, which would you like to start with? So can you define for me what anti-LGBTQ is? Yes, policies that are against the LGBTQ plus community, hence anti.
Anti. Okay, so could you tell me what it means by against it? Like, could you give me an example of legislation that is anti-Christian that is also anti-LGBTQ?
Can you give me examples? I would say because I am a Christian and I'm LGBTQ, policies that go against me are anti-Christian. And I would say because they contradict the fundamental values that we were taught as Christians, that they are anti-Christian. So a couple of things. One, we were told to follow the Holy Spirit beyond the text.
We were told that throughout life, while God's word is perfect and true, man's interpretation and understanding of it is not. For example, slavery, can we agree that's wrong?
Yes.
Interracial marriage, can we agree that's beautiful?
Yes. Yes.
Fantastic. Can we agree that we both should be able to eat shellfish and pork?
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