That UFO Podcast
Doomer Friday Crossover: UFO Files, Demons & Disclosure Day with Night Shift and Area 52
09 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Hi everyone, and welcome back to That UFO Podcast. As always, my name is Andy, and once again, like last week, something a little bit different for you. Once again, I joined the Doomer Friday crew. So that was Clint over with the Night Shift team, Xander, Dan, Pavel, and Chris Ramsey of Area 52 joined in for over two hours of conversation.
Of course, we talked the pastor stuff with all those guys coming forward to say they've been briefed on UFOs and angels and demons. And then, of course, we dug into the recent drop today as I record this. So here's a little bit of extra conversation for you to enjoy over your weekend. Lots of great ideas, lots of great thoughts. I actually do some accents in this one.
It's quite a casual conversation. So hope you enjoy it. Hope you find it entertaining, enlightening, informative and all of the above and enjoy something a little bit different.
Hey guys, welcome back to the Night Shift, your safe space for talking about UFOs, UAPs, NHI. Disclosure? Is it Disclosure Day? I think it is. Feels like it. The Department of War went live today at 8 a.m. I think it crashed, actually, briefly when I tried to load it with their first drop of...
detailed images and files and um all kinds of goodies from the ufo um disclosure process that was initiated by president trump a couple of uh weeks ago uh clint you're frozen by the way we can hear you but you're uh yeah there you go you're back back all right switch you want another tab yeah stream yard come on people fix that tab thing So that's really exciting.
And we're going to talk about that.
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Chapter 2: What are the recent UFO disclosures and their implications?
And we put a call out to our Discord community. If you are interested in participating in that, you can get to our Discord through the links that will be posted. We've also got our mod squad who's going to be posting links throughout the show. And we're asking you guys to submit your coolest finds. If there's something that really blew your mind that you want us to look at on the show,
Go there in the general chat on our Discord channel and post it. And we'll be pulling stuff throughout the show as we get there. Got a special guest today. Andy McGrillin from That UFO Podcast is here to help us make sense of all the craziness. Of course, we've also got Dan the Man from Others from Another Mother. Our extremely multi-talented and amazing producer Xander Jones is with us.
And of course, Pavel Sikortsevo is here. How you doing, guys?
I was just reading my book, sorry. Oh, didn't see you there.
I think we may have, it's going to be a full house, but we may have room for one more as well. You know how I said, you know, Ramsey's going to want to get involved tonight. I think we'd been live for 30 seconds and I got a link. He'll probably join soon.
He's like the mailman on Mr. Rogers. He kind of like shows up, drops in once in a while, like just strolls into the studio. It's great. Beautiful. Two big stories this week, guys. Christian pastors are going all over the internet saying that they've got the straight dope on the alien situation from a briefing they had with some members of the intelligence community.
One of these guys, Larry Ragland, already had to put out a retraction and apologize to Eric Burleson. That's kind of been the big story until this disclosure dropped today. What do you guys think about that? I'm curious. Have you guys been following this?
We can watch it quickly if you want.
Yeah.
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Chapter 3: How are pastors reacting to UFO briefings?
And it was just such a fucking turnoff to watch a bunch of hungry people sit there and have to wait for this stupid motherfucker to do his douchey fucking whatever the fuck. And so whenever I see these guys, they come out of the screen with the fucking... Evil eye fucking stare down like y'all. I'm just trying to save y'all.
So y'all you know, I'm like dude don't fucking come out like that like First of all, that's just ignorant.
You don't you don't even know what questions to ask yet You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about well for one and two to come in here and act like you have all the answers like dude we don't even have the slightest idea what we're dealing with yet and even this is for people who've been looking at it for 30 fucking years and So I just wish these guys would slow their roll.
If you want to bring Jesus into the conversation and have a discussion about faith and how it fits into the Christian faith, that's all fine. I think everybody is open to that. A healthy discussion is a good thing.
But don't kick the fucking door down like the Kool-Aid man. I think there needs to be some sort of a round table. If stuff comes out honestly about these things, I think that faiths,
will have to sit down and talk it over because you know everybody has their own interpretation everybody has their own ideas uh the scientific community we know that can also be dogmatic they also need to sit down at a table and just talk this over because if they don't do that it's gonna get even more chaotic than we probably expected and i don't want that really
I got the sense that that is what the design was based on the Carl Nell presentation at the Soul Symposium. I looked at those slides again the other day and it's very much laid out in lines of effort and between the different disciplines, how this is all going to roll out over various phases. I just think we're watching it in real time.
We're watching people consume this, process it, understand it, and they're putting it into terms that make sense for them. And then we're also seeing that hypercharged by a content cycle and an algorithm and a whole system behind that. And it's weird to watch. This is what it looks like when humans finally realize we're not alone. It takes a long time. It's really fucking messy.
A lot of people don't know what to think. And there are going to be people who step into that vacuum with answers. And if those answers are right or wrong, some people just don't care. That's what's interesting to me. It's one of the things about, there are two other stories this week.
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Chapter 4: What are the perspectives on the role of faith in UFO discussions?
4k pictures we need potential bodies being shown we need grush levels of testimony to come forward it's a good start but i think this is literally the flour and water for the cake we're not even touching the icing yet
That's a really cool analysis, Andy. I hope so. That was great.
What we've heard from Birchett, Burleson, and Luna is, and there may be those on X that just say, They're either lying or they're misunderstanding the briefings they're getting or something, stuff like that. But I do believe they're being genuine and I know they wouldn't be fooled by this level of... This is interesting stuff, particularly the NASA photos, which we can share in a little bit.
But they wouldn't call this revelatory because they know it's not. They are members of Congress. They're not complete idiots. I'm willing to bet that the level of evidence that they've seen is probably an order of magnitude or two more interesting than this. And I'm wondering if they're genuinely expecting what they specifically know to now be disclosed in due course.
And if it's not, do they have a plan in place to protest that decision in some way? I don't know. That would be awesome if they did.
It's also interesting. I don't know if it's... It's probably coincidental, but also the fact that so many things in this space seem to be surfacing or getting to the top. Just had, obviously, Age of Disclosure. After that, the Bob Lazar stuff. After that, we get so many amazing interviews from Jesse, which each one feels earth-shattering and groundbreaking.
And then after that, we get Jeremy Korbel coming out with this new documentary, which... has got a lot of stuff in there too. I can say, I know Dan, you can probably say the same. Um, and, and it doesn't feel coincidental. It feels like everything's sort of culminating right now and it's sort of ripping at the seams.
And what we're seeing, uh, to echo what Andy said is maybe just like a little bit of that seem sort of ripping right now. And we, yeah, we might be in for, you know, some, some real stuff real soon, very fast.
Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What historical events influenced the perception of UFOs?
Like, I mean, as soon as Eisenhower, it feels like gets involved. I mean, and the transfer of documents from Carter or even when Carter. I mean, is there to some extent, everything seems to get incredibly suppressed as of 1950. Like, I mean, 1947, 48, there's still like these lingering notions of, oh, there's flying saucers. And then all of a sudden it's like, no, it's nothing.
We've got, you know, committees set up. There's even a document in there. That shows all the questions that they should ask, that the Air Force should ask witnesses to figure out what it was. And so you can already see a framework for the modern blue book or grudge or sign or whatever start to take shape in sort of understanding what this is and then eventually covering it up.
and can we address the elephant in the room a little bit because nasa has always been on the same we don't have anything we don't have anything there's nothing and then on the first drop a lot of stuff was shown i mean is anyone surprised not such a paragon of transparency right
It begs the question though, who is NASA? Again, it's an organization of thousands of people. So again, do you have CIA folks present at NASA who over the decades have basically made sure anything that's relevant, surely when these guys are doing their missions and they've got the live feeds, not what we see, the actual live feed,
You've got people who are there in normal jobs, who are CIA, for example, and they are literally reporting back minute by minute what's going on, cut that. They can pull the plug on stuff. And the higher-ups, those feeds are all being monitored, surely to God, somewhere else.
It was recently reframed as a spy agency too, an intel agency.
Correct. I think 99% of the folks at NASA don't have anything
do you what do you make of the um you know of course there's the gary mckinnon nasa hack and then there's the the accounts of uh what were their names the the people who worked in the photo labs that claimed they were airbrushing i mean they're what those guys were saying is not small stuff at all like huge ships clear as day you know is if if we're getting this stuff now
Is what Gary McKinnon talked about 30 years ago still in there somewhere and maybe to be released or some piece of that possibly comes out?
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Chapter 6: How does NASA's transparency affect public trust?
The loading? Yep. That's how I would drop it. The same one.
Did you guys ever hear about the Gemini 11 sighting?
Yep.
The photo? Yeah, the Ed Wilson sort of lithograph. I have a book covering that and it's really interesting. If you look at Gemini 11 UFO, there was a photo that was in the back. So some guy, Ed Wilson, bought a ton of stuff off of, I don't even know if it was Ed Wilson, regardless. Yeah. Simpkinson archive. Exactly. He bought a huge book, that massive book. Yeah, exactly.
And it's all about sort of this. Yes, exactly. Well, if you want to show just the cover of it, you can see.
Doesn't Chavez Taylor, didn't he co-write that one?
He did. Leslie Kane did as well. And so did Kevin Knuth. I don't think they're convinced that it's anything spectacular, but because it says UFO as seen by the Gemini 11. Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's very, very clear when you look at it, like, oh, that's a flying saucer. But I'm surprised, yeah, that nothing came out about that. They skipped Roswell. They skipped Aztec. If you look at March 1948, the last thing is like March 22nd, 1948, and then it jumps to like September. And so there's a giant gap of where Aztec would have happened on March 25th and like all the subsequent sort of,
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Chapter 7: What role does humor play in discussing UFOs?
uh you know communications um so there is strategically i think a lot of things that have been extracted and you know not released and they gave us sort of the the surface level stuff like andy was saying like for the general public
What was it Corbell said? Corbell said, he tweeted, didn't he, yesterday? What did he say? He said, this is the first of many, and it's deliberately going to ramp up, start off with the lighter stuff, and then hopefully progressively get a bit heavier over time. And that correlates with the impression I get from Luna, Birchett, and Burleson.
So who's behind coordinating this effort? Who is the mastermind at the top? I can do it. I mean, that's one question. You have Grush going on this... What podcast was it? It was a very specific podcast. Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch. giving a very detailed explanation of what people can expect from this process, and then saying it's going to ramp up over the next 60 to 90 days.
Can I just correct that, Clint? Because from my understanding, he wasn't necessarily overawed with this process or the coming 46 videos. So the 46 videos are going to drop in the next batch, apparently, in the next week or two. What Grushkin said was, basically, I've seen most of those videos, and some of them are sort of interesting.
However, the work I'm trying to do is based off of files and intel community officers, whistleblowers. So he almost alluded for me, and I don't know if Pavel or Cole can come in on this, but it wasn't this stuff that he was particularly interested
blown away with it was the other stuff that's coming and he did say it's 60 to 90 days so that's the time frame so he wants you know
Andy, are you saying that what Grush is doing is separate from, like this is a separate effort along a different path that he's trying to do?
Yeah, it came across to me like what is being dropped isn't necessarily anything that's going to bring forward disclosure and that there's far more interesting stuff that can be done and is being done that's going to make a bigger difference. And that this stuff's fine, but it's the appetizer before the main course.
Do you guys, did you talk, while I was away, did you talk about Arrow being connected to this? What your thoughts are on that? What do you guys think about that?
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Chapter 8: How do personal experiences shape views on UFO disclosure?
I dropped that because I was talking to somebody who is connected to people who are still active at Arrow and it was like kind of,
were very excited when they were telling me this they told me that nasa's stuff was going to drop and they they made it seem like it was going to drop on arrow but it didn't it dropped into the department of war uh website um and and luna wants to sort of disband arrow i think but i don't know if that's such a great idea i think there's a couple of people from arrow and that no longer are there who were obstructing with a lot of this stuff
But what I'm getting is that there's people in there who really didn't like what Kirkpatrick was doing and were against Kirkpatrick. And Luna was to disband the whole thing. I don't know. And there's a lot of those videos that came from Arrow. A lot of what was dropped today came from them too. The grainy stuff, of course. But yeah. Right.
I get the idea of disbanding it. It at least needs to be renamed or rebranded because I think we're so soured on the idea of Arrow that something needs to be switched up a little bit.
Would that not be the third or fourth rebranding though? And that's a bit of an issue.
Well, maybe it's not a rebrand. Maybe they just need a fucking win, you know, like deliver. Come out and deliver something for people. And then, you know, everybody loves a winner. Once you do that, we'll get behind it and follow it. But for now, they need to earn back, I think, the trust of a lot of people.
Yeah, but don't get rid of all the people who are genuinely excited to work in this project and were sort of blue-balled, you know. Don't get rid of those.
But again, who is Arrow being closed down to placate? Is that the UFO community, which is 0.0000001%?
of the general population the general general public don't know who arrow is so like you say if arrow can come out and have a win or something that is as popular or hits the mainstream that'll be the first time that most people ever hear of arrow so yeah right now arrows are nothing other than something the ufo community hates because of sean kirkpatrick who is clearly
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