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The Ben Shapiro Show

Ep. 2424 - Here’s How China SPIES on the US

12 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the nature of China's geopolitical threat to the US?

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China is not just America's geopolitical opponent. They are our geopolitical enemy. They have been our geopolitical enemy since the establishment of the Chinese Communist regime in 1949. Now, you may have spent some decades pretending that this isn't true. Richard Nixon famously moved to open China as a way of separating China from the Soviet Union at the time.

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And some neoliberals may have opened our markets to Chinese goods, hoping that free markets would lead to political moderation. But all that time, China was still our enemy. The People's Republic of China is a historically mass murdering, currently terror supporting surveillance state of unprecedented proportions directed at destroying America's global hegemony. And they're taking the long view.

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They can wait us out. and they are taking advantage of our openness to defeat us. Whether it's stealing literally tens of billions of dollars in IP, stacking American universities with Chinese operatives, or infiltrating our political system, China is, in fact, our geopolitical enemy. And it's time to fight back. Today, we'll discuss how to do so.

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Plus, we'll get to the legacy media doing the work of the West's enemies, the new inflation report showing the impact of President Trump's Iran operation, and also why Americans are not having babies. This is The Ben Shapiro Show. So this week, President Trump is headed on over to China. He is bringing with him many of the tech leaders, some of his diplomats and top cabinet officials.

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While that is happening, it has now been revealed that the mayor of Arcadia, California, which is sort of a mid-major city, a person named Eileen Wang, has now resigned because it turns out that she was a foreign agent, allegedly, of China, according to the Los Angeles Times.

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Wang served as mayor of the San Gabriel Valley suburb and entered into a plea agreement with prosecutors over charges she acted under the control of the PRC to promote propaganda in the United States between 2020 and 2022.

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From late 2020 through at least 2022, Wang worked with a person named Yaoning Mike Sun, that would be her former fiance, to run a website called US News Center that branded itself as a news source for Chinese Americans.

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Both Wang and Sun executed directives from Chinese government officials, posting requested articles, reporting back with screenshots showing how many people viewed the stories according to the plea agreement. They did propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government is basically what happened. Turns out that she was mayor of Arcadia.

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And well, if only this was an isolated incident, but it absolutely is not. We actually have Chinese agents who are honeycombed throughout the American government at all levels.

Chapter 2: How has China infiltrated American political systems?

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And as we know, China's technological development has been largely based on stealing American IP. We are talking about not tens of billions, hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars in American IP stolen by the Chinese. We know that China sends exchange students to the United States to learn about our technologies, to make connections, and then to act as Chinese operatives.

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China is in fact trying to eat our lunch. by using the power of being able to cram down suffering on their people in order to challenge us geopolitically. Well, all of this leads up to President Trump heading on over to China.

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There have been some rumors that President Trump is going to make overtures to China by not selling as many weapons to Taiwan or by allowing China to invest in data centers or manufacturing centers in the United States, both of which would be terrible ideas. President Trump is traveling with a lot of our business leaders, and this speaks to some of the big challenges.

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Already coming up, more on President Trump's trip to China and what we can do to fight back against China's opposition to the United States. I mean, they're infiltrating pretty much every area of American life. We'll get to it in a moment. First, life changes quickly. Families grow, responsibilities grow, expenses grow.

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Chapter 3: What incidents highlight Chinese espionage in the US?

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is intertangled, economically speaking, with the Chinese government. Somehow this would liberalize the Chinese government. Precisely the opposite has happened. And so there are a number of massive industries in the United States that have their supply chains chiefly based in China. That is true for Apple. It is true for Tesla. It is true for an enormous number of American businesses.

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And so a lot of big business people are traveling with President Trump to China. That includes Elon Musk, as well as Tim Cook, according to the New York Post. Met a president and vice chair, Dina Powell McCormick, BlackRock chairman and CEO, Larry Fink, Boeing president and CEO, Kelly Ortberg, are also part of the U.S. delegation. Again, President Trump is trying to right the U.S.

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trade imbalance with Beijing by having the Chinese buy a bunch of stuff from us, including soybeans. and planes and other goods. The reality is what we actually should be trying to do is box China in. We should not be looking for China to buy more of our products. We should be trying to buy less of China's product. The president was right about that.

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And of course, the idea that China wants to coordinate with us on AI is total nonsense. So there's apparently a conflict inside the Trump administration over cooperation with China on AI. According to the Washington Post, As President Trump prepares to travel to a summit in China, his administration is sharply split over a plan to give U.S.

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intelligence agencies a bigger role in evaluating AI models. According to two people familiar with the matter, the White House is grappling with new cybersecurity threats posed by mythos and similarly advanced models. So again, a lot of people in the administration who are saying that the federal government should take a sharper eye with regard to AI and their models.

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And then there are people who say, well, hey, hey, if you use the federal government, particularly if it ends up being turned over to Democrats to basically crack down on AI, you're giving China an advantage, which pretty clearly happens to be true. So what should we be doing about China? What should we be doing about China?

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Because this has implications for our foreign policy in a wide variety of other spheres. I've been making the argument for a very long time that what we actually need to do with regard to China is cut them off at the knees. The best way to do that is to economically isolate them.

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This took the fore in 2020 when China unleashed the Wuhan virus on the rest of humanity by lying, by pretending that it was not transmissible human to human, by fibbing to the WHO, which was basically a Chinese front organization at that point, And a lot of folks correctly pointed out that we have manufacturing chains leading back to China and we need to find ways to actually decouple from China.

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This is right. So what should we be doing? Well, if we actually want to isolate ourselves from China, if we wish to decouple from China without China eating our lunch with other countries, we need to use both carrot and stick. That means we need to cut good trade deals with, for example, Canada.

Chapter 4: What role does the legacy media play in China's information operations?

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In fact, Pierre Poliev, who was the conservative party candidate in Canada, was slated to win the prime ministerial election over there. He ended up losing because of the trade war. And the person who replaced Justin Trudeau ended up being Mark Carney, who is perfectly warm toward making common cause with the Chinese.

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We need to cut better trade deals with all of the people who are in the in-between, who might move toward China and might move toward us. We need to offer them carrots. That's better trade deals with Canada, better trade deals with the Europeans, better trade deals with Japan and South Korea and Indonesia and Malaysia and Australia.

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We need, in other words, to isolate China by demonstrating, by flexing our economic power. And the way you flex your economic power is not purely by telling people they can't have access to our markets unless we get better access to theirs. The way that you flex your economic power is by cutting deals that isolate China. Pick between us.

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You can either have access to American markets or you can have access to Chinese manufacturing. Those are your choices. And if we actually utilized our power in this way, we could isolate China. We needed to do that before we decided that we were going to heavily tariff China. We also can cut off their sources of revenue and power. And this President Trump has been doing with alacrity.

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Again, as I mentioned yesterday on the program, if you look at Trump's foreign policy and what he has been doing, much of what he has been doing is directed at minimizing Chinese power and influence. The operation against Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela was designed to cut off a chief source of oil revenue for China.

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Something like four to five percent of all Chinese oil imports were coming from Venezuela before. That is not the case now. Venezuela was a geopolitical ally of the Chinese. Now Venezuela is under the American thumb. The same thing, as we'll discuss in a little bit, is happening in Iran. Much of what is directed against Iran is actually directed against China.

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China receives 10 to 15 percent of their entire oil importation from Iran. And now it turns out that Iran is actually harming China by shutting off the Strait of Hormuz. When it comes to the Strait of Hormuz, yes, it's not having an amazing impact on the American economy, but it is hurting China much worse than it is hurting us.

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China receives 54% of their entire oil imports from the Middle Eastern region. And Iran right now isn't just cutting off its own oil to China because of the embargo that we have on their oil exports. It is also literally attacking Chinese shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. It is preventing those ships from moving from Qatar, from Iraq, from UAE, from Saudi.

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So us isolating Iran is, in fact, cutting off a source of power and revenue for China. Us helping Ukraine to defeat Russia in Ukraine is a way of cutting off a support base for China, because, of course, Russia is basically a giant gas station for China at this point. What else can we do? Well, we can obviously strengthen our own economy.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of declining birth rates in America?

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Chapter 6: How does cultural perception impact family growth in the US?

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He has a brand new book out titled China's War on Faith, talking about the CCP carrying out systemic global campaigns against religion and what CCP is doing to infiltrate America. Ambassador, thanks so much for taking the time. Really appreciate it.

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Hey, thank you for having me on the show and highlighting this. I think this is just a critical topic. And now the president's headed to Beijing. We need to be talking about this stuff.

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So, Ambassador, I want to talk about the extent to which China has infiltrated our systems. It's trying to use our own systems against us. I've been saying for a long time that China is not just a geopolitical opponent. They are, in fact, a geopolitical enemy of the United States. They seek to subvert American global hegemony. They are seeking to make alliances with America's enemies.

Chapter 7: What strategies can the US implement to counter China's influence?

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officials greeted migrants along the route through the deadly Darien Gap. U.N.-funded NGOs handed out maps to migrants en route to the United States. After facilitating mass migration to the U.S., UN agencies condemned the deportation of illegal immigrants. They did the same thing with regard to Europe. UN officials staffed all ends of the Mediterranean migration route into Europe.

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Then UN agencies condemned frontline states who refused to open their borders. The Global Compact on Migration claims to support safe migration. But again, mass migration was a strategy fostered by the UN. The UN is a trash organization. A trash organization.

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And when you have the UN Secretary General, the abhorrent Antonio Guterres, calling for global institutions that reflect the world today, understand he is doing the work of the Chinese and the Russians and the Iranians. This is what the UN is. There are entire institutions dedicated to the submission of the West to foreign powers.

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The continent has enormous potential, but that potential is being constrained by an unfair international system. Too many African countries face egregious borrowing costs. Too many climate-vulnerable countries are still waiting for the support they were promised. And too often, African countries are expected to live with decisions made in institutions in which they have no equal voice.

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That must change. We need deeper reforms of international financial architecture. greater investment on terms that allow countries to build, grow and transform, and global institutions that reflect the world as it is today, not as it was 80 years ago.

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Again, 80 years ago, he means the dominance of the United States. That's what he's talking about. And he's saying that we need to basically submit. The United States must submit our global power to foreign institutions.

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The good news is for the UN and for China and for Russia and for Iran, they have an enormous amount of members of the left in the United States who are willing to do their dirty work for them. Not just the left, by the way, in the US, you also have the left in the UK, in France, many other places that are willing to submit to all of this.

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Well, one of the institutions in the United States that is extraordinarily warm, toward anti-Westernism is, of course, the New York Times. Nicholas Kristof has a truly egregiously reported piece today that is making all sorts of waves in which he claims that Israel is performing sexual violence on Palestinian prisoners. And it's making huge waves because he makes extraordinary claims.

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He claims that Israel has been training dogs to rape people. He provides zero actual evidence of this. He claims that Israel is employing quote-unquote systematic sexual violence. Again, the evidence that he provides of this is rooted in the testimony of people who are open advocates for Hamas. And then he makes the suggestion that Israel is doing 10-7 sexual violence every single day.

Chapter 8: How does the US's relationship with Iran affect China?

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We're anti-rape. The horrific abuse inflicted on Israeli women on October 7th now happens to Palestinians day after day after day.

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And do you understand what he's doing there? He is saying that what happened on October 7th, which was in fact mass rape, and there's another report out today with actual data, which we'll get into in a moment. And it is not a coincidence that Kristof dropped this report literally the day before that massive report came out about Hamas's practice of systematic rape on October 7th.

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And then he's saying it's happening every single day. The report is essentially sourced directly from advocates for Hamas. So he claims- And he's reporting based on conversations with 14 men and women who have been sexually assaulted by Israeli settlers or member of the security forces. And then he says, this is pretty, this is pretty great.

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He says, quote, some may wonder whether Palestinians fabricated accusations of sexual assaults to defame Israel. Yeah, some might wonder that considering that that is a routine practice in the Middle East where people legitimately make things up, including entire allegations of genocide, mass starvation. manufacture allegations of the shooting of children, all of it. But he says, no, no, no, no.

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That to me seems far-fetched. Well, if Nick Kristof says it's far-fetched, then probably it's not far-fetched. Who does he quote, by the way? Again, I would be shocked if there is no sexual abuse of anyone in Israeli prisons. In the same way, I'd be shocked if somebody said there was no sexual abuse of American prisoners and American prisoners. in American prisons or in the UK or France, right?

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I mean, it is a staple of literally every prison movie ever that there is sexual abuse in prisons. But that is not what Kristof is alleging. He's alleging that there is systemic sexual abuse in Israeli prisons. Who is he counting on? A freelance journalist. This is how he characterizes him. I'm Sami Alsai.

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This would be the same Samuel Al-Sai who posted on October 8th that, quote, the green flag of Hamas fluttered over the occupiers' camps and tanks and adorned the foreheads of the heroic fighters. Long live the heroes. Al-Sai works for the Qatari propaganda outlet Al Jazeera. The article relies on reporting from a place called Euromed Human Rights Monitor, which sounds, you know, anodyne.

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There's only one problem. It is an actual NGO supporting training to develop storytelling journalists in Palestine whose leadership are linked with Hamas. As for that bizarre claim that Israel trained rape dogs, Kristof cites a nut job named Shael Ben-Ephraim.

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This person was a teacher at UCLA who had to leave after multiple sexual harassment allegations involving inappropriate conduct toward minors. And then he tried to rebrand himself and then just put out that rumor. And then the UN picked up on the rumor, printed it, and then it was laundered into Nick Kristof's columns. Other sources.

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