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The Bulwark Podcast

Michael Steele: A Petty, Punk-Ass President

30 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the current state of FEMA's response to recent disasters?

0.25 - 20.076 Tim Miller

Hey, y'all, tickets are officially on sale now for our 2026 live tour kickoff show in Minneapolis on February 19th. We're stoked to be with our friends in the Twin Cities. Fucking demanded that we'd be with our friends in the Twin Cities. We're bringing Sarah, JVL, Bill, Sam, me. We'll see who else. Maybe some other folks. We're looking forward to being with you.

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All profits from the show will be donated to Second Harvest Heartland, which is providing food to folks in need in the Twin Cities. Make sure you're also saving the date for when we're heading to Texas. We're there in Dallas for one night, March 18th, and in Austin for one night, March 19th.

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Watch your inbox and theborg.com slash events for more information on how to get tickets to all those shows. We'll be seeing you soon. Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. He's the co-host of MSNOW's The Weeknight, airing every day at 7 p.m. in the East. He's a former chair of the RNC. He was lieutenant governor of Maryland. It is Michael Steele, the chairman.

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69.884 - 70.365 Tim Miller

How you doing, man?

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70.866 - 73.491 Michael Steele

What's up, playa playa? How you doing, Tim?

73.876 - 100.144 Tim Miller

Girl, here's where we stand at 10.30 a.m. when we're taping this. We have a new Fed chair who has ties to the Greenland debacle. Trump is suing the government for $10 billion, his own government. Lindsey Graham might shut down the government if she doesn't get some bribe money. Tulsi is raiding elections offices. The regime has arrested Don Lemon, and we still don't know who killed Alex Preddy.

100.164 - 107.581 Tim Miller

I got a bunch of other stuff, but I'm going to stroke out just going through all those topics. You're a host now. Dealer's choice. Which one of those do you want to start with?

107.601 - 128.771 Michael Steele

Look, it's Friday. Yeah. So, you know, we always talk about living for the weekend. Yeah. It never meant more than it does right now. Look, all of that's bad. All of that's bad. Arresting Don Lemon? For what? Look, the Fed chair and all of that stuff, a lot of this has been in play for a while.

129.371 - 160.331 Michael Steele

The extra stuff, you know, suing the government for $10 billion, going after a celebrity host, all of that bullshit is the distraction. And the fact of the matter is It is proving to me that Susie Wiles, who was lauded coming in as the adult in the room, that she was his muse and she was in his ear, that shit don't mean nothing. Because Donald Trump is a thing unto himself.

Chapter 2: How is Trump involved in the recent political and legal controversies?

283.573 - 305.646 Tim Miller

They disrupted a service at Cities Church in St. Paul. I guess one of the pastors there was also an acting field director for ICE. And so that was the reason for disrupting the church and protesting. Right. I'm not a huge fan of protesting churches. I'll just say this up at the front. But Don Lemon was a journalist covering this.

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306.807 - 325.772 Tim Miller

He was an independent journalist following the protesters into the church. He was videotaping. He did then go and interview this pastor and ask him questions, ask him some tough questions. But I don't know. I had some asshole on the internet messaging me today. He's like, what would you say if the Proud Boys had stormed a mosque? And I'd say, well...

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325.752 - 344.356 Tim Miller

If they were breaking the law, they should be held to account. But if Fox News sent a journalist to cover it, I wouldn't want the Democrats to go and arrest Peter Doocy for being there and documenting the fact that it happened. So anyway, just one more thing for context here before we get your take on it. Multiple judges have already smacked this down.

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They tried to bring it in Minneapolis to the judge who got rid of it with prejudice, dismissed it. Our colleagues at MSNOW are reporting that multiple career DOJ prosecutors in Minnesota and Los Angeles refused to be involved in this. Pam Bondi, when it was announced, said that this indictment was, quote, at my direction. So that's where we are right now.

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The attorney general is demanding that an independent journalist get arrested over the objections of prosecutors and judges.

373.525 - 399.28 Michael Steele

And that has been the will of Donald Trump. And Pam Bondi is the worst kind of hack there is in the job. She is useless in that role, except to the extent that she services Donald Trump. And you can take that however you want. And the reality of it is that at the end of the day, he is a firebrand and he is a damn good journalist.

399.631 - 427.343 Michael Steele

And he was in a position to document the excesses across the board. I mean, whatever you want to say, like you said, I'm not a fan and do not advocate going into a church service and protesting. Wait till the service is over, grab the pastor, have a conversation. They wanted the bling and they wanted the firecracker moment. They got it. And here's what happens when you play with stupid fire.

428.065 - 454.57 Michael Steele

It will not only burn you, but it will burn everyone else in the vicinity. And so making an example of Don Lemon is what this game is. Instilling fear in the American press corps is what this is. To getting folks like you and me to suddenly, but more importantly, you know, the corporate entities that we work for to go soft. Oh, well, I don't know if we should. We've got to be careful.

454.63 - 485.427 Michael Steele

We don't need Trump mad at us. It's just two words that sum up what I feel about this administration and particularly this president in this moment. And I think a lot more Americans are coming to those feelings. And I think actions like this further those feelings in a way that I think, look, I looked at the 2026 elections in 2025 and in late 2024 and said the Democrats are in a position then

Chapter 3: What happened with Don Lemon and why is it significant?

916.51 - 938.699 Michael Steele

And now you're going to sit back and what? Enjoy the benefits of it? Of course you are. They're not going to come out here and defend Don Lemon. They're not going to sit there and say to Donald Trump, hey, Mr. Trump, you've gone too far. Just like we've seen him do with other personalities on TV, what we've seen him do with black women in the press, where were their voices then?

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938.719 - 952.358 Tim Miller

Yeah. And the other thing, just my final thought on the First Amendment part of it, is they arrested Ramesa Osterk for signing an op-ed. They've arrested Don Lemon for committing an act of journalism.

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952.405 - 975.78 Tim Miller

like this is as clear as day like this is this is government tyranny going after people for either their opinions or for the type of journalism they're doing and like that is a straight assault on freedom of speech and if you were a free speech warrior who was upset because the bite administration was like working with youtube to flag stories that did misinformation

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975.76 - 995.473 Tim Miller

I kind of didn't love that either, but that was like middle management making some requests of tech companies. Tech companies could have said no to. Don Lemon didn't get to say no to the guys that showed up with the guns today and say, sorry, no thank you. I'm going to keep doing my job. They handcuffed him, I assume, and jailed him. Took him in. So we'll learn more as the day goes on.

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1015.059 - 1030.938 Tim Miller

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